The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The simple fact that they said they wanted to use their non-existent veto over leaving the EU. If that is not trying to control some foreign policy and the entire UK economy what is?

So your saying that the Scottish government should ignore the democratically chosen decision made by the people of Scotland ... They are looking out for the interests of their electorate ... shame on them

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Yes and no .. some say they have changed their mind other 's say they want out the EU ... even had one say Scotland is becoming too left wing for him ... I can see that point to be fair, the right wing of Scotland don't seem to be represented by the Yes movement

It's a strange status to have ( as we've already discussed ) but it does seem to be one that the likes of Jim Sillars and other Yes voters share. I can only assume that a fair number of them are older SNP fundamentalists like Jim. Full on all consuming/no EU. Independence or nothing and were even against devolution due to the fact it wasn't independence. Some of the younger ones I would guess are just a bit bored by it all and not political anoraks following every twist and turn like some of us here do.

Who knows. :cool:

The below 11% and the 8% here are all to play for in the next 18 months or so.

elantan

Yes the anti EU are older generation SNP

The people that wanted right wing representation are young

And the ones that didn't really have any reason were more 30-40ish I hadn't thought about it too much but yeah age appears to be a factor with the Yes to No support that I know personally

scott_lithgows

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So if a 2nd indy ref comes around we can assume you'll vote No on the basis that you're honouring the 2014 result?

Not because of the economic data?

think I would more likely abstain,don't want to be like Scots rugby fans at murrayfield who sing about becoming a nation again but were mostly in the no corner 3 years ago,I would feel two faced.

elantan

scott_lithgows wrote: »

think I would more likely abstain,don't want to be like Scots rugby fans at murrayfield who sing about becoming a nation again but were mostly in the no corner 3 years ago,I would feel two faced.

Aye I cannae stand that song anymore either ... I walk out or away when it comes on

Enterprise_1701C

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Nooooo lol. Sturgeon never claimed a veto for the whole UK. Newspaper headlines looking for misinformed and OTT reactions like you just posted did.

So you can leave that nonsense to the side.

Explain this then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8hOr9SMfo

If you don't want to sit through the drivel start viewing at about 2:40. She definitely threatens to block Brexit.

elantan wrote: »

So your saying that the Scottish government should ignore the democratically chosen decision made by the people of Scotland ... They are looking out for the interests of their electorate ... shame on them

No. I am saying that as a region of the UK they should actually look out for the interests of the UK and should not ignore the democratic decisions of the WHOLE of the UK.

elantan

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Explain this then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8hOr9SMfo

If you don't want to sit through the drivel start viewing at about 2:40. She definitely threatens to block Brexit.



No. I am saying that as a region of the UK they should actually look out for the interests of the UK and should not ignore the democratic decisions of the WHOLE of the UK.

Oh they respect the decision made by the rest of the UK . They do however work for the Scottish people so their job is to carry out the wishes of the Scottish ... weird that

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Oh they respect the decision made by the rest of the UK . They do however work for the Scottish people so their job is to carry out the wishes of the Scottish ... weird that

How are the Scottish government going to make the UK stay in the EU?

Since the question was whether or not Scots wanted the UK to leave or remain. It said nothing about Scotland.

62% of Scots want the UK to remain in the EU.

Not 62% of Scots want Scotland to remain in the EU.

That's the real result of the referendum in Scotland, not this made up crap by Sturgeon about Scotland's desire to go it alone in the EU. Shes such a liar.

Enterprise_1701C

Fortunately they have now been told by the Supreme Court that it is not a devolved matter and Holyrood cannot have the last say.

They tried to get a ruling that Holyrood would have to give their consent to the triggering of Article 50 (another attempt at a veto in spite of what Shakey says). Fortunately the court agreed that foreign powers are reserved to Westminster.

And, if Scotland thinks they can have a say in whether the UK stay in the EU, then surely if they are ever permitted by Westminster to have another independence referendum, then surely the rest of the UK should actually be entitled to have a say in that too. After all, it affects the rest of the UK too. Of course, that would cause a problem, because Scotland would be booted out big time and Sturgeon would have nothing left to bleat about, and would actually have to get on with the job of governing, something she does not seem to understand too well.

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Explain this then

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ic8hOr9SMfo

If you don't want to sit through the drivel start viewing at about 2:40. She definitely threatens to block Brexit.



No. I am saying that as a region of the UK they should actually look out for the interests of the UK and should not ignore the democratic decisions of the WHOLE of the UK.

Sure I'll explain it. She's talking about a LCM in Holyrood and states categorically that this isn't about Holyrood blocking England leaving the EU but doing what's in the best interests of Scotland.

You've misunderstood completely what she's talking about here. In other words she's talking about Holyrood/Scotland. Not blocking or any vetos on the UK.

Headlines and getting sucked in to narratives that aren't true. Don't do it !