The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Fortunately they have now been told by the Supreme Court that it is not a devolved matter and Holyrood cannot have the last say.

They tried to get a ruling that Holyrood would have to give their consent to the triggering of Article 50 (another attempt at a veto in spite of what Shakey says). Fortunately the court agreed that foreign powers are reserved to Westminster.

And, if Scotland thinks they can have a say in whether the UK stay in the EU, then surely if they are ever permitted by Westminster to have another independence referendum, then surely the rest of the UK should actually be entitled to have a say in that too. After all, it affects the rest of the UK too. Of course, that would cause a problem, because Scotland would be booted out big time and Sturgeon would have nothing left to bleat about, and would actually have to get on with the job of governing, something she does not seem to understand too well.

Great ! Let's give have another EU referendum and allow everyone in the EU to have a say too since it affects them. That'll work.

Enterprise_1701C

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Great ! Let's give have another EU referendum and allow everyone in the EU to have a say too since it affects them. That'll work.

The difference is Scotland is a region of the UK, not a sovereign country, the UK is a sovereign country.

Enterprise_1701C

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sure I'll explain it. She's talking about a LCM in Holyrood and states categorically that this isn't about Holyrood blocking England leaving the EU but doing what's in the best interests of Scotland.

You've misunderstood completely what she's talking about here. In other words she's talking about Holyrood/Scotland. Not blocking or any vetos on the UK.

Headlines and getting sucked in to narratives that aren't true. Don't do it !

She states she would ask her parliament to block the legislation. If you call an elephant a bumble bee it would still look the same. If she had had the power to block this legislation and done so, it would amount to blocking the UK leaving the EU.

elantan

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10332/jj-patrick-15-step-portrait-brexit-fallout-leave-voters-didnt-see-coming


Oooft horrific read ... thank goodness it's not current reality

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10332/jj-patrick-15-step-portrait-brexit-fallout-leave-voters-didnt-see-coming


Oooft horrific read ... thank goodness it's not current reality

Seriously?

Is this the kind of stuff you read?

And to address the pro-indy comments, if England goes under even if Scotland is independent, you'll go with us. It's the same for the UK if the EU and the Eurozone goes under. Everyone needs to have strong economies to encourage growth. Germany in a recession isn't going to buy as much from the UK, similarly England in recession isn't going to buy as much from Scotland. Everyone loses.

That piece is a dramatic work of fantasy. Like 'The Shining' only for Brexit.

What is it with people these days who are unable to actually think?

mrginge

elantan wrote: »

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10332/jj-patrick-15-step-portrait-brexit-fallout-leave-voters-didnt-see-coming


Oooft horrific read ... thank goodness it's not current reality

Wow. Terrible.

Some crazy nut cases will try and deny that this is the truth, but they are WRONG. And we know this because the author is very clear -

...it’s a logical step progression based on probability risk. The interactions at each stage will feed the next and so on.

I can't decide whether to start digging the nuclear shelter or just kill myself now.

mayonnaise

elantan wrote: »

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10332/jj-patrick-15-step-portrait-brexit-fallout-leave-voters-didnt-see-coming


Oooft horrific read ... thank goodness it's not current reality

Hmm. A bit over the top, even for a remoaner like myself.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

elantan wrote: »

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/10332/jj-patrick-15-step-portrait-brexit-fallout-leave-voters-didnt-see-coming


Oooft horrific read ... thank goodness it's not current reality

Blimey!
"Myopic" doesn't really convey just how totally unrealistic that is - nor the desperation of those who actually read the stuff, never mind believe any of it.

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

The difference is Scotland is a region of the UK, not a sovereign country, the UK is a sovereign country.

The UK is a union of two countries. Scotland and England. The clue is in the name.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Seriously?

Is this the kind of stuff you read?

And to address the pro-indy comments, if England goes under even if Scotland is independent, you'll go with us. It's the same for the UK if the EU and the Eurozone goes under. Everyone needs to have strong economies to encourage growth. Germany in a recession isn't going to buy as much from the UK, similarly England in recession isn't going to buy as much from Scotland. Everyone loses.

That piece is a dramatic work of fantasy. Like 'The Shining' only for Brexit.

What is it with people these days who are unable to actually think?

Perhaps you'd prefer the New York Times take on May/Brexit instead ?

FEB. 15, 2017

Sober analysts agree that Mrs. May’s plans are deeply foolish. Her intention is to sacrifice Britain’s membership in the European single market, something necessary for the economy to function as it is now configured, to gain full control over immigration policy, which is not.

In short, she is planning to profoundly alienate key industries and trading partners to score populist popularity points.

But no matter how confident the Brexiteers might be, their grip on reality remains patchy at best. Global Britain’s delusions are unlikely to withstand the shock of actually leaving the European Union.

One indication of this came shortly after the referendum result, when it emerged that Marmite, an iconic British food, was actually owned by a Dutch company, Unilever. Its prices are set to go up after Britain leaves the European Union. Andrea Leadsom, the minister for the environment, food and rural affairs, has indicated that Britain’s post-Brexit trade strategy will be primarily based around the export of jam, biscuits and cheese.

Britain, it seems, is in danger of becoming the world’s largest church fete.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/15/opinion/theresa-mays-empire-of-the-mind.html?_r=0

Some parts of the world think England ( and Wales ) have gone totally tonto. :cool: