The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mrginge

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It was actually in the post I answered you with. Up until now they haven't been counted or weighted properly in their own polling category. Never have been.

14/7/02I doubt there will be much of a change up or down from that 45% figure for a good while yet in polls. Even saying that, it was actually turnout that won/lost the Brexit vote anyway.

I'm not sure why they need to be in a separate polling category.

All these hundreds of thousands of vote switchers we keep hearing about should be getting caught up in polling by now.

Strange then that the numbers haven't moved at all.

Almost as though
A. They don't exist
Or
B. They do exist alongside equal numbers of contra movements

sss555s

Moto2 wrote: »

It isn't always about the bottom line though.
I've just (18 months ago) taken a job on half the salary I was on, despite offers of even more because I thought I'd be happier.
Every sum I did told me it was a poor decision but you know what?
It's the best thing I've ever done with work, yes, we're poorer now and have to make savings but we're much happier.
If the Scots want indy on the strength of gut feeling, good luck to them, it just a pity for them that the woeful SNP are driving it.

I've also done this before and it was the best decision I ever made.

I also feel the same for Scotland.

The quickest way to lessen the SNP grip is for Scotland to become independent.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

The question seems to have changed though.

Shakey is very clear that now, it is a choice between Unions.

Choose either the UK or the EU, which union you prefer.

I'm not sure where this leaves the pure independence fan, determined to go it alone. Will they be given their own option?

The choice is between the UK and and staying in the Single Market. Sturgeon would much prefer to stay in fully in the EU and has said so on many occasions. But I doubt that will stop her allowing other pro indy groups and pro indy leave voters a very prominent platform in any future referendum as to where they believe an independent Scotland's best interests should lie.

Salmond after all despite being obviously very pro-independence, was perfectly happy to include a Devo Max question on the last ballot paper. This is because he recognised that there were many of the opinion that this and not full independence might be the best way to go forward. Cameron wasn't having that though.

*The question is still exactly the same. 'Should Scotland be an independent country ?'. The EU/Single Market/Brexit and everything else won't be featuring on the ballot paper.

*This doesn't mean the wording won't be changed on any second vote.

mollycat

elantan wrote: »

Molly, again your assuming I'm angry ... I'm no ... I'm smiling right now cause I know you really don't like Sturgeon and yet I know she speaks for you ... popcorn time for me

The fact you seem to be obsessed about me leaving the UK when I retire is just the sugar on the popcorn for me

Ha ha very good!

Watch out, i read a tweet saying too much popcorn can make you irrational

I've done my bit for today....NO voters, keep up the good work.

YES voters, go buy more popcorn!!

elantan

mollycat wrote: »

Ha ha very good!

Watch out, i read a tweet saying too much popcorn can make you irrational

I've done my bit for today....NO voters, keep up the good work.

YES voters, go buy more popcorn!!

Well i do need to go on a diet... .but the No voters, brexiteers and Trump keep providing me hours of entertainment .... hopefully we get indy soon so I can give up the popcorn

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Shake, I was reading the other day that a lot of the polls have not been including 16-18 year old's who are in the main Yes voters ...

Have u heard anything about this ?

YouGov weren't for a long time but they corrected it recently. But the numbers they manage to get a hold of for all of these polls are tiny so they have to upweight them a lot.

elantan

Wonder why the polls didn't move when they added the 16-18 year old in then ... cheers Shake

Shakethedisease

mrginge wrote: »

I'm not sure why they need to be in a separate polling category.

All these hundreds of thousands of vote switchers we keep hearing about should be getting caught up in polling by now.

Strange then that the numbers haven't moved at all.

Almost as though
A. They don't exist
Or
B. They do exist alongside equal numbers of contra movements

It's not so much who they are. It's the fact that a lot of polls weight by recalled Scottish referendum and EU referendum votes. Obviously EU nationals couldn't vote in the EU one so their responses are likely getting lumped in and weighted with other categories that aren't reflective. And if there's one thing a poll does need to be, it's representative and reflective of the general population.

Anyhow, *imo it'll be down to turnout on the day. I think a fair swathe of former Labour No voters will stay at home.

* in my OWN opinion.

kabayiri

sss555s wrote: »

I've also done this before and it was the best decision I ever made.

I also feel the same for Scotland.

The quickest way to lessen the SNP grip is for Scotland to become independent.

This is perhaps the strongest argument for me in promoting an independent nation which is relatively small, like Scotland.

There is no rulebook which says that the current consumption model we have is the only viable one.

As an example, many families in Denmark manage just fine with one car in the family.

That's just one major expense. There must be other areas where state spend could be cut dramatically.

As an outside observer it would be interesting to see iScotland develop. I'm sure there will be those in the EU curious to see how the UK changes outside the Union too.

beecher2

mrginge wrote: »

I'd advise against personalising the debate by assuming you know what shakey thinks.

Shakey is just the conduit through which the facts flow.

The facts have been presented. And they are that the referendum will be fought on hatred and division. .

Talk of 'fratricidal conflict' and the like is only coming from the tories. She really does need to calm down with the militaristic language, yesterday she was talking about the SNP 'weaponising' Brexit.

BTW, probably the hatred which Scottish Labour has towards the SNP is greater than any so called hatred of the tories.