The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

You may understand fake facts as a joke on twitter, some poor soul will think that is the case and may base their vote for independence on it. Which you would welcome I imagine?

Or are you unwilling to lead your fellow Scots up the garden path?

It's always "a joke" from certain posters when something outrageous is posted and then called out.

100% misinformation, targeted at those who are unable to think stuff through.

They'll do anything to get to 50%+1 in their imaginary 2nd referendum

TrickyTree83

mollycat wrote: »

It's always "a joke" from certain posters when something outrageous is posted and then called out.

100% misinformation, targeted at those who are unable to think stuff through.

They'll do anything to get to 50%+1 in their imaginary 2nd referendum

I don't think the UK government will give them the referendum before we've concluded brexit, but I kind of want them to, just to put it all to bed for the next 50, 100, 300 years. Couldn't imagine my kids having to put up with the constant mendacious SNP threats.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I don't think the UK government will give them the referendum before we've concluded brexit, but I kind of want them to, just to put it all to bed for the next 50, 100, 300 years. Couldn't imagine my kids having to put up with the constant mendacious SNP threats.

There will be a vote in Scotland originating from Holyrood before Brexit is concluded. Westminster approved or not.

Whether it'll be an outright 'Should Scotland be an independent country ?' on the ballot paper, or 'Should the Scottish Govt enter into negotiations with the UK Govt to discuss independence proposals ?' it'll happen either way. The first is following the 2014 model which is where all the arguments will happen about legalities.

The second is the Scottish Govt entering into an advisory 'conversation' with Scottish voters on their views on a future relationship with the UK Govt. There is nothing legally to stop the Scottish Govt entering into conversation with it's own voters.

A Yes vote in both cases means the same thing. Scots can expect to be asked one of the above ( or similar to ) questions at some point in 2018. Westminster will be powerless to stop a vote happening, though is obviously far more desirable from a pro indy point of view to have many more interjections from folks like Fallon. Or to have Westminster looking desperate in trying to stop one first.

islandannie

How low can the Nationalist sink.

I thought nothing could intensify my disgust of the SNP,but a certain member sinks below the sewage level by insinuating the IRA were freedom fighters after lurign three young Scotish soldiers to their deaths
Take a bow Mason.
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/snp-man-sparks-anger-with-ira-freedom-fighters-comment-1-7802317

mollycat

Shakethedisease wrote: »

A Yes vote in both cases means the same thing. Scots can expect to be asked one of the above ( or similar to ) questions at some point in 2018. Westminster will be powerless to stop a vote happening, though is obviously far more desirable from a pro indy point of view to have many more interjections from folks like Fallon. Or to have Westminster looking desperate in trying to stop one first.

Why?

That's what most people in Scotland would hope and expect them to do.

Scottish people are speaking out to stop a further referendum; that's why you won't be able to blame it on WM when it doesn't happen

TrickyTree83

islandannie wrote: »

How low can the Nationalist sink.

I thought nothing could intensify my disgust of the SNP,but a certain member sinks below the sewage level by insinuating the IRA were freedom fighters after lurign three young Scotish soldiers to their deaths
Take a bow Mason.
http://www.newsletter.co.uk/news/snp-man-sparks-anger-with-ira-freedom-fighters-comment-1-7802317

So much for the nasty Tories. The SNP are destroying themselves, day by day, bit by bit.

Lovely.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

'Should the Scottish Govt enter into negotiations with the UK Govt to discuss independence proposals ?'

What proposals are these? Are you seriously expecting a blank cheque from the electorate. What a waste of taxpayers money to discuss proposals. Scotland first needs to decide it's future and plan it's exit. That's a decade of work with the limited resources available.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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Whether it'll be an outright 'Should Scotland be an independent country ?' on the ballot paper, or 'Should the Scottish Govt enter into negotiations with the UK Govt to discuss independence proposals ?'
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why would you want to discuss 'negotiations'?
is that because you want a 'little soft independence and not the whole thing? is that like scotland joining the Eu and losing lots of its 'independence?

do you lack the courage to want 'hard' independence?

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

What proposals are these? Are you seriously expecting a blank cheque from the electorate. What a waste of taxpayers money to discuss proposals. Scotland first needs to decide it's future and plan it's exit. That's a decade of work with the limited resources available.

If Westminster refuse or try and block a referendum with the same question/section 30 as last time such as Fallon suggested briefly in this morning's newspapers. Then the Scottish Govt will have to word the question differently to 2014 and turn it into an advisory 'conversation' with the Scottish electorate seeking their views.

Notwithstanding the restrictions on the Scottish Government’s devolved competence contained in the Scotland Act 1998, no-one disputes that it can lawfully make proposals to, or hold conversations or enter into negotiations with, the United Kingdom Government about (i) altering the constitutional position of Scotland or (ii) widening the devolved powers of the Scottish Government and Parliament (including amending or removing some or all of the matters reserved to the United Kingdom which are set out in Schedule 5 of the Act).

That does not, of course, exclude the possibility that referendum legislation might be challenged, as being beyond the Scottish Parliament’s powers, in the courts of Scotland and all the way to the UK Supreme Court. But any such challenge would be doomed to failure.

Professor Robert Black QC

A yes vote in either case means the same thing.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

So much for the nasty Tories. The SNP are destroying themselves, day by day, bit by bit.

Lovely.

Oh, was that on Twitter ? Thought you didn't believe a word of anything anyone ever tweeted on there ?