The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

I think she will have to, it should have been on the paper last time as well Cameron messed up there I reckon

I can understand you being puzzled by her and questioning her beliefs if I hadn't known her for as long and known how much she campaigned throughout that time I would have done so myself

There is a lot of churn just now and I really wish it was more simplified and idy wasn't dependent on the back of a Brexit vote ... but I will take indy any way I can get it

But it's not simplified.

It is what it is. The deficit is what it is, the economic situation is what it is, and the political situation is what it is. Independence is not going to solve all of them, it would arguably solve one perhaps?

If you do get to vote you really should be pragmatic about it. Not some dreamy eyed vision of Mel Gibson in blue face paint, or rainbows over Holyrood. You should vote with truth, honesty and facts in mind.

elantan

You do realise you insult your own intelligence with remarks like that Trick ?

mayonnaise

Rampant inflation will make the case for independence.

When Scots will be faced with spiraling prices all over the board because Bob from Barnsley and his ilk voted out cos he don't like muzzies, Nicola won't even need to campaign.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I know you think I'm wrong about the SNP tainting the EU ref vote in Scotland, so lets put it another way.

What happens if I'm not wrong (as you think) and that I'm correct? That in the EU remain vote there were people who voted to remain with independence in mind, but not all of the remain vote shared that perspective, that some wanted to remain in the EU and also want to remain in the UK. Nicola and the SNP could well be launching you into another independence referendum campaign without the backing you need to succeed. Alongside all of the other corroborating evidence that independence is a bad idea, as evident by the desperate "get rid of the Tories" mantra, could well see you witnessing two independence campaign failures in 3-4 years which will destroy the idea for a very long time, the hiatus probably out living most of us on here.

Do you really want to run that risk? Should you not prepare a proper case for independence as a nation on your own two feet rather than joined at the hip to the EU?

The political landscape isn't an excuse, as No voters will tell you that is a situation purely of your own making. A regional party can never win power in Westminster, a fact Sturgeon has allegedly admitted recently in her consideration to put forward SNP candidates across the rest of the country.

As I've stated before. The next indy ref will run along more anti-Tory than EU related course. Sturgeon will call a referendum because she has nothing to lose since by doing nothing Scotland is out of the Single Market anyway. Even if she loses it, the SNP emerged unharmed from the last one despite predictions ( and in Scottish Labour's case absolute certainty ) that it would mean the end of the SNP. It wasn't.

EFTA/EEA will be on the table also as possibilities. This will bring those who have currently swung to No on the EU issue, back to the Yes side. Scottish Labour will either collapse, or a new Leader elected who will not stand in the way of a second referendum. Will also allow individual Labour members to advocate and campaign for independence if they wish.

If Sturgeon can bring those No's back to Yes, and former Labour No voters onboard, then there's a very good chance of a Yes win. However, I personally really, really like the dismissive complacency about an assured No victory should a second ref happen doing the rounds right now. It keeps things quiet, calm, events happening in Scotland relatively unreported and everything in the UK media focused elsewhere. I hope it stays that way for a while yet.

Conrad

mayonnaise wrote: »

Rampant inflation will make the case for independence.

When Scots will be faced with spiraling prices all over the board because Bob from Barnsley and his ilk voted out cos he don't like muzzies, Nicola won't even need to campaign.

We've dealt with far higher inflation for much of the last 40 years. The trade imbalance is afar greater structural issue that the markets would have eventually called time on anyway.


Exports are rising, service exports have no import related cost.

Masomnia

mayonnaise wrote: »

Rampant inflation will make the case for independence.

When Scots will be faced with spiraling prices all over the board because Bob from Barnsley and his ilk voted out cos he don't like muzzies, Nicola won't even need to campaign.

I'll look forward to Sturgeon arguing in favour of the Euro then!

elantan

She doesn't need to ... but you know this ... or at least you should

CLAPTON

It seems the dithering Nicola continues to dither and refuses to answer questions from scottish voters.


Time for her to set out the SNP secret agenda and tell the scottish people what currency the Iscotland would use, the size of the budget deficit, the cut needed and banking security

antrobus

mayonnaise wrote: »

Rampant inflation will make the case for independence....

Given that last time around, the SNP were declaring that they had the right to 'share the pound', I can't see how.

The rate of inflation is currency dependent, the only way that an independent Scotland could escape GBP inflation would be to have a different currency. Given the size of the Scottish fiscal deficit, it could result in even more 'rampant inflation'.'

TrickyTree83

antrobus wrote: »

Given that last time around, the SNP were declaring that they had the right to 'share the pound', I can't see how.

The rate of inflation is currency dependent, the only way that an independent Scotland could escape GBP inflation would be to have a different currency. Given the size of the Scottish fiscal deficit, it could result in even more 'rampant inflation'.'

Post-truthers.