The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I know what I said. I thanked Medium Jock for pointing it out to all of us here, and even quoting the text for us, as to what Hughes was talking about.

Mainly because him highlighting that an EU expert was talking about discussions regarding Scotland being allowed into the EU in 2014 ( wait what ? ).. wouldn't be something that he'd usually be very keen at all to point out.;)

Hughes said it was discussed in 2014. I have no idea if it's true or not. I do get exactly what you're trying to do, but if you're accusing me of fabricating things you might want at least to concentrate your ire on much much bigger things and issues than this. Not least because everyone can read the conversation for themselves and he said/you said stuff is interminably boring.

I give up, it's not what happened or didn't happen in 2014, why do you keep mentioning it?
It's about what you posted at 20:12
You said the MSJ said something that he didn't, whether or not what he said actually happened is irrelevant to this point.

Ask yourself this
Did MSJ say discussions took place in 2014 or did he say Hughes said discussions took place?

Simple question, should only need a simple answer

elantan

Thought you said you give up ? I

Moto2

elantan wrote: »

Thought you said you give up ? I

Give up ? I

???


Anyway, give up what?

antrobus

Moto2 wrote: »

...Simple question, should only need a simple answer

The simple answer is that the EU made its position very clear in 2013.

It's there in black and white in a letter to dear Nicola from the EU Commission vice-president. See annex B of this FOI request;

https://www.whatdotheyknow.com/request/342971/response/845645/attach/html/4/FoI1600981%20Response%20from%20the%20Scottish%20Government.pdf.html

elantan

Moto2 wrote: »

I give up, r

There ya go

A_Medium_Size_Jock

This thread is turning into a Shakey-induced farce!
Despite the requests from myself and others, the sheer refusal to acknowledge the lack of factual evidence is ......... laughable now, sadly.

You can tell when a post has "hit the spot" when Shakey replies with lines such as "Not name calling and inane chat", " you're just seeing stuff in posts that aren't actually there and not reading them through properly. ", and "Nothing I've said on this forum is misleading."
These remove whatever small degree of credibility Shakey and the remaining pro-SNP supporters in this thread had - if indeed there was any to begin with.

The following has now been asked by a few posters including myself, yet you have not replied other than to dodge and distract from the issue.
(Something which YOU accuse others of in this thread, BTW.)
So now just for you Shakey and to keep it simple:

Evidence of EU discussions with Scotland please?
Evidence of the EU formally discussing with Scotland any transitional arrangements as a result of Brexit.
Recent evidence, since the referendum at least.

Again and to make it perfectly clear since it appears that you have trouble with this concept, that is EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE, not heresay from one pro-EU post.
EVIDENCE, not Tweet or Facebook or blog or vlog.
EVIDENCE from EU members.

Evidence.
NOT more "waffle and bluster".

Evidence.
NOT further going over the same ground with the same responses.

Do you think you could do that?

beecher2

What are Kezia's chances of still being in position after the local elections? I think she hoped putting Rowley in charge would make him the fall guy, but it seems like there are many plots going on in the background.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930685.Unite_boss_McCluskey_savages_Dugdale_over_leadership_of_Scottish_Labour/
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930643.GMB_union_leader__Scottish_Labour_is_a__middle_class_protest__party_and_could_come_4th/

Also I doubt Anas Sarwar will stay in the background for long.

Final nails in coffin? I just can't see how they can find a place in the Scottish political landscape anymore.

edit: haha, weird link.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

This thread is turning into a Shakey-induced farce!
Despite the requests from myself and others, the sheer refusal to acknowledge the lack of factual evidence is ......... laughable now, sadly.

You can tell when a post has "hit the spot" when Shakey replies with lines such as "Not name calling and inane chat", " you're just seeing stuff in posts that aren't actually there and not reading them through properly. ", and "Nothing I've said on this forum is misleading."
These remove whatever small degree of credibility Shakey and the remaining pro-SNP supporters in this thread had - if indeed there was any to begin with.

The following has now been asked by a few posters including myself, yet you have not replied other than to dodge and distract from the issue.
(Something which YOU accuse others of in this thread, BTW.)
So now just for you Shakey and to keep it simple:

Evidence of EU discussions with Scotland please?
Evidence of the EU formally discussing with Scotland any transitional arrangements as a result of Brexit.
Recent evidence, since the referendum at least.

Again and to make it perfectly clear since it appears that you have trouble with this concept, that is EVIDENCE.
EVIDENCE, not heresay from one pro-EU post.
EVIDENCE, not Tweet or Facebook or blog or vlog.
EVIDENCE from EU members.

Evidence.
NOT more "waffle and bluster".

Evidence.
NOT further going over the same ground with the same responses.

Do you think you could do that?

Scroll past if you don't like my posts. Message me if you have a problem. Am getting a little fed up with people blithely ignoring other people swearing openly at other people on this thread and calling them liars.. then getting all prissy devoting entire lengthy posts about my 'posting style' and 'credibility'. One sided childish nonsense on a thread that's actually about Scottish politics and the economy. And at the end of the day, sorry but I'm still going to keep posting anyway.

Regarding the EU and Scotland at the current time there is little factual evidence of anything since Brexit hasn't happened yet. We're all waiting on Theresa. Though one of the negotiators has already come out and said there's no big problem. So not looking completely impossible.

There is no "no big obstacle" to an independent Scotland joining the EU before Brexit, former Prime Minister of Belgium Guy Verhofstadt has said.Verhofstadt, who leads the who leads the Alliance of Liberals and Democrats for Europe parliamentary group in the European Parliament, made the comments in an interview with STV in Brussels.


The former prime minister was asked could an independent Scotland successfully join the European Union before the United Kingdom formally leaves the organisation.
Verhofstadt answered: "I think this possibility has to exist, yeah. Because if Scotland decides to leave the UK, to be an independent state, and they decide to be part of the European Union I think there is no big obstacle to do that.

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1358976-no-big-obstacle-to-independent-scotland-joining-eu/

Did I make this up ? Have YOU any evidence that this wouldn't be the case or that he's since changed his position ? If so feel free to provide us all with factual evidence that doesn't come from a pro union newspaper or blog.

Looking forward to something other than 'but Spain' because almost 100% of anything Spain says regarding Scotland in the EU almost always involves the caveat that they won't speak or engage while Scotland is still part of the UK.

Shakethedisease

Double post. Whoops.

Shakethedisease

beecher2 wrote: »

What are Kezia's chances of still being in position after the local elections? I think she hoped putting Rowley in charge would make him the fall guy, but it seems like there are many plots going on in the background.
http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930685.Unite_boss_McCluskey_savages_Dugdale_over_leadership_of_Scottish_Labour/
and_could_come_4th/">http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930643.GMB_union_leader__Scottish_Labour_is_a__middle_class_protest__party_and_could_come_4th/

Also I doubt Anas Sarwar will stay in the background for long.

Final nails in coffin? I just can't see how they can find a place in the Scottish political landscape anymore.

edit: haha, weird link.

Yes she's not going to be around for much longer. I don't think Anas is in the frame though.. Rowley is much more McCluskey's cup of tea.

But it does look like they're going to ditch full on Scotland in the Union at any cost and go for Home Rule, which in itself would be a huge game changer up here. ( I hope you don't mind but I've quoted some of it in case it's behind the paywall for some to read).

Unite boss McCluskey savages Dugdale over leadership of Scottish Labour

McCluskey, the UK’s most powerful union leader, threw his weight behind Rowley, who said the “status quo” of the Union dominated by Westminster could not deliver the radical social and economic change that left-of-centre Scots want to see.

McCluskey went on to say that as a Liverpudlian trade unionist, the issue of the UK Union had never been “uppermost in my mind” and that “solidarity with workers” north and south of the Border was of more importance.
He also said that “nothing should be off the table” over all constitutional options for Scotland, including independence and federalism for different nations and regions within the UK.
McCluskey said: “I think the whole question of independence is a question that has captured the minds of the Scottish people and therefore for any political party to be relevant it has to respond to that.

The intervention came as recriminations continue to rage within Scottish Labour over Rowley’s statement, putting him at odds with Dugdale, when he said: “I have never considered myself a Unionist”.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14930685.Unite_boss_McCluskey_savages_Dugdale_over%20%20_leadership_of_Scottish_Labour/

Mundell also on tv this morning saying Westminster wouldn't block a second ref, but would hope to 'find agreement' whatever that means.

Nick Eardley ‏@nickeardleybbc I don't think UK government would block #indyref2 says @DavidMundellDCT @Sun_Pol_Scot, but would try to find agreement