The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Great story, glad you agree that independence comes first before anything EU related can happen for Scotland. I'd advise the indy support focus on winning the battle they believe is in front of them rather than assuming it's already won.

I can't debate you. Not anymore. I'll post occasionally but we've moved into a stage where nothing factual gets recognised as such. Take jobs for example, clearly the SNP are lying about brexit being the biggest threat to Scottish jobs, and you also deny the Scottish economy depends more on the UK than that of the EU. When you deny the obvious how can anyone take anything you say seriously? I end up going round in circles trying to get you to admit / see the point and it never happens.

The same with trade. The same with 'nasty Westminster', the same with Barnett consequentials, the same with taxation, the border effect, the common weal paper, with anglophobia links to the SNP, again and again and again. Part of the philosophy vlog was that you can't change everyone's mind, that they can be predisposed to wanting to think / believe irrationally, so stop trying, it's a waste of time. Probably some wise words.

TTFN.

You don't debate Tricky. You'd much rather have a cheerleading squad for your posts sadly and end up posting swear words and calling folks liars when you don't. The Scotland you present to me (personally) is sometimes so far removed from what's actually happening right now that I don't know where to start.

Time will tell who was more realistic about what's happening and in the near future. TTFN.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You don't debate Tricky. You'd much rather have a cheerleading squad for your posts sadly and end up posting swear words and calling folks liars when you don't. The Scotland you present to me (personally) is sometimes so far removed from what's actually happening right now that I don't know where to start.

Time will tell who was more realistic about what's happening and in the near future. TTFN.

What the Scotland where 64% of your trade is with rUK?

The Scotland where ~1,000,000 jobs depend on the UK market, and only 80,000 on the EU market?

The Scotland where the SNP lie about Brexit being the biggest threat to the Scottish economy?

The Scotland where the SNP's reason for being - Independence - is the greatest risk to Scottish jobs and economic security?

The Scotland where the SNP said "vote Remain with independence in mind" in the EU referendum?

I can't think of the other points right now, I've lost the will to fight this fight and try to remember the others when you can't acknowledge the points above being correct.

If I've descended into swearing and name calling, perhaps it's not because I can't debate, perhaps it's because I'm tired of talking to a brick wall of propaganda.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

No, He/She said the report of the supposed discussions was from 2014

see above

I pointed out the similarities between what Robertson said today, and what was said at the committee in June. I did not pass comment on anything that was supposed to or did or didn't take place in terms of discussions in 2014 or 2016.

Just and ONLY that Robertson seemed to be referring to the same transitional holding pen plan as Hughes mentioned. That's was it. I made no comment on these plans going ahead, or being implemented or discussed. Just that Robertson seemed to be singing from the same hymn sheet in the Herald today.

Medium Jock highlighted the 2014 part to you. Not myself. I only commented my surprise on it possibly being discussed at ALL in 2014, given the climate that the time regarding Scotland being in the EU.

I made nothing up when I highlighted the similarities because you can read both articles for yourself and make your own mind up. Any thoughts after reading them yourself ? I presume you have read both of them haven't you ? Since you keep saying I'm making it all up ?

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I pointed out the similarities between what Robertson said today, and what was said at the committee in June. I did not pass comment on anything that was supposed to or did or didn't take place in terms of discussions in 2014 or 2016.

Just and ONLY that Robertson seemed to be referring to the same transitional holding pen plan as Hughes mentioned. That's was it. I made no comment on these plans going ahead, or being implemented or discussed. Just that Robertson seemed to be singing from the same hymn sheet in the Herald today.

Medium Jock highlighted the 2014 part to you. Not myself. I only commented my surprise on it possibly being discussed at ALL in 2014, given the climate that the time regarding Scotland being in the EU.

I made nothing up when I highlighted the similarities because you can read both articles for yourself and make your own mind up. Any thoughts after reading them yourself ? I presume you have read both of them haven't you ? Since you keep saying I'm making it all up ?

You said that he had pointed out that the plan had been discussed in 2014

He did no such thing.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

You said that he had pointed out that the plan had been discussed in 2014

He did no such thing.

Kirsty Hughes herself pointed out that the discussions had taken place in 2014. It's further down in the article, I missed it. Medium Jock introduced the 'supposed' line. Who to believe. Ms Hughes in front of a Holyrood committee asking EU experts for evidence, or some stranger on the internet...

What did you think regarding what Robertson was saying today ?

Moto2

You don't get it do you?
I'm not interested in this instance what Kirsty Hughes or Robertson did or didn't say or do

I'm interested in what you said MSJ posted, which was clearly a fabrication or misquote on your part

He said ...

Writing on Twitter, Dr Hughes later clarified that the discussions on Scotland's EU transition had taken place in 2014 but are likely to come up again following Brexit.

you said ...

Medium Jock was kind enough to point out that this plan had also been discussed within the EU in 2014 regarding Scotland's wish to enter/remain a part of the EU at the time of independence.

MSJ pointed out that Dr. Hughes had claimed that, not him

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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From what I'm reading there will be quite a few from rUK hoping and actively campaigning also to get rid of Scotland from the UK asap.

Since the Brexit referendum you see plenty of commentary from London people wishing to dispense with other parts of the country.

So why should Scotland represent some unique case? It's just a different dividing line.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

"I talk to people in Brussels, off the record, who were talking about Scotland being in some sort of transitional holding pen

A court of law would treat this as hearsay and ask the jury to disregard the evidence.

Means diddly squat.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

You don't get it do you?
I'm not interested in this instance what Kirsty Hughes or Robertson did or didn't say or do

I'm interested in what you said MSJ posted, which was clearly a fabrication or misquote on your part

He said ...

you said ...

MSJ pointed out that Dr. Hughes had claimed that, not him

I know what I said. I thanked Medium Jock for pointing it out to all of us here, and even quoting the text for us, as to what Hughes was talking about.

Mainly because him highlighting that an EU expert was talking about discussions regarding Scotland being allowed into the EU in 2014 ( wait what ? ).. wouldn't be something that he'd usually be very keen at all to point out.;)

Hughes said it was discussed in 2014. I have no idea if it's true or not. I do get exactly what you're trying to do, but if you're accusing me of fabricating things you might want at least to concentrate your ire on much much bigger things and issues than this. Not least because everyone can read the conversation for themselves and he said/you said stuff is interminably boring.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Since the Brexit referendum you see plenty of commentary from London people wishing to dispense with other parts of the country.

So why should Scotland represent some unique case? It's just a different dividing line.

I dunno, something to do with a Union treaty thing in 1707 ? Let's really hope UKIP gain some traction with this too. Isn't he going to be leader ? Aaron Banks was talking about kicking the Scots out too last night. First Brexit, next referendum on the UKIP hitlist booting the Scots, Irish and Welsh out Westminster.

I bet No voting Scots are loving this.

'We need an English Parliament' Nuttall demands Scot MPs be booted out of House of Commons

SCOTTISH MPs should be booted out of the House of Commons to allow it to become an English Parliament, the frontrunner in the Ukip leadership race has said.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/736427/Paul-Nuttall-UKIP-demands-scottish-parliament-out-house-of-commons-nicola-sturgeon