The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

You are entitled to your opinion. I think this thread has been a "Shakey-induced farce" since about page one, when the OP announced that Scotland was "a complete basket case".



You've noticed that too, have you?



He also apparently finds it 'boring' if you keep pointing that out. Oh yes, and anything misleading or untrue can simply be excused as 'satire'.:)



I don't think he understands what is meant by the word 'debate'.



I think you'll get more waffle and bluster.

Oh more posts about me rather than Scotland and Scottish issues. Well done.

ps I'm female.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Who said I didn't 'like' your posts? and if I didn't, what possible reason would I have to report them?
They're not abusive or anything, just a bit random, verbose and evasive at times.
Don't flatter yourself about anyone obsessing about you, and certainly not me - I still wouldn't mind a simple answer to a simple question I asked about one of your recent posts though.

You seem strangely compelled to keep quoting me and directing posts at me personally or carp about my posting rather than stay on topic. As are a few here it seems.

If you want simple answers engage with someone else. Brexit the EU, Scotland and what's going to happen next are hugely complex matters which involve a fair bit of understanding of what's going on domestically in Scotland as well with the Scottish parties. There are no Yes or No answers...well until the next referendum anyway.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I didn't say that. You wanted evidence and I gave it to you. I made no comment on what's 'in my eyes' most likely. If you don't agree with Verhofstadt then that's fine. But don't start on me because HE said it but there's you evidence so far. Take it or leave it.

You don't have any facts about Scotland, Brexit or the EU and what's going to happen. No one does until it happens. Face it, you're just the same as me. Speculating with the occasional link thrown in.



Prove them then, that 64% ? Because David Leask (Chief Reporter at the Herald and Kenny Farquarson ( The Times ) can't and they're currently in Leask's own words being flagged as 'iffy'.

And both of them write for Unionist newspapers who are absolutely gagging to use that 64% figure but can't because they're iffy. In other words they do not know if it's a true figure.



I use tweets because there are quicker in news than the daily newspapers are. It's also why most journo's and politicians themselves use it. To keep up with what's going on. You should try it sometime, you might be more up to date.

See now you're just trolling aren't you? No sooner do we complain about using journos instead of Scottish government statistics and you're at it again.

You know as well as anyone those stats come from civil servants under the jurisdiction of the SNP. Nothing to do with journos or the people they interact with. Iffy, on whose authority? WoS? Wee Ginger Dug? A different post-truth troll?

Forget it.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You seem strangely compelled to keep quoting me and directing posts at me personally or carp about my posting rather than stay on topic. As are a few here it seems.

If you want simple answers engage with someone else. Brexit the EU, Scotland and what's going to happen next are hugely complex matters which involve a fair bit of understanding of what's going on domestically in Scotland as well with the Scottish parties. There are no Yes or No answers...well until the next referendum anyway.

Is that a 'no' then?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

See now you're just trolling aren't you? No sooner do we complain about using journos instead of Scottish government statistics and you're at it again.

You know as well as anyone those stats come from civil servants under the jurisdiction of the SNP. Nothing to do with journos or the people they interact with. Iffy, on whose authority? WoS? Wee Ginger Dug? A different post-truth troll?

Forget it.

David Leask and Kenny Farquarson. Look them up. They were on Twitter the other day talking about accurate export figures to rUK. No one can work them out so they won't be using them until someone does.

I don't think I've complained to anyone about journo's. But one should always take into account where they stand in any debate when one is reading their articles. Leask and Farquarson have always been firmly in the unionist camp. Farquarson has been trying to find out the figures himself, and Leask was referring to this :-

Our poll also found that the Scottish public is torn over which of these two markets is most important: the EU or the UK. Scots opted for both in roughly equal numbers, 39 per cent to 40 per cent.

Unionist politicians are increasingly presenting Scottish independence as a choice between England - by far this country's main trading partner - and the EU. However, economists have cautioned against relying on estimates suggesting that Scotland exports four times more to the UK than to the EU.

Professor David Bell of Stirling University said: "It is not good to see politicians bandying around slogans based on these numbers."
There is no official measure of goods crossing the English-Scottish border and, Prof Bell said, it would be "doubly difficult" to calculate exports and imports of services.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14921366.More_than_two_out_of_five_Scots_ready_to_stick_with_EU_even_if_this_means_hard_border_at_Gretna/?ref=rl&lp=2

Also of note in the poll is that Scots are unsure of which market is the most important anyway when it comes down to it.

I am not making this up or fabricating, feel free to read the article for yourself. If my posting an article, or tweets from leading Scottish journalists is now classed as trolling, then thanks for the laughs given the amount of Express articles that are also posted on here. Just for clarity, this is me addressing your point about the the 64% figure. A figure which is currently being 'bandied about by politicians' and people such as yourself like its gospel.

It may not be. If you'd like to dispute Bell's assertions ( not mine ) about calculations then please do.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Again, answer our questions Shakey.

If you insist upon continuing your tactics of blanket nonsense I will in return insist upon reposting them on every page so that readers may see just how desperately you avoid answering.

Oh & BTW, from your link above about Scots and the EU:

But it emerged 57 per cent would prefer Scotland to be outside the EU if that meant it could retain free trade and open borders with England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Again, answer our questions Shakey.

If you insist upon continuing your tactics of blanket nonsense I will in return insist upon reposting them on every page so that readers may see just how desperately you avoid answering.

You don't get to tell random strangers on the internet what to do. There are no definitive answers and you like me are simply speculating. Repost everything you like. I had you on ignore for a while ( see I do take my own advice ).. probably time to reactivate it.

Oh & BTW, from your link above about Scots and the EU:

It's your link actually. You posted it a few pages back. I was actually pointing out the trade quote within.. which Tricky has been having the vapours about recently...and it also doesn't go into any further detail about what would happen in the case of a soft border, or EFTA.

Still, a very surprisingly high number of people who would go for it anyway regardless of a hard border with rUK. Which I think the article was highlighting ( the surprise that is ) since that's the headline after all.

An exclusive BMG poll for The Herald found that 43 per cent would accept Scotland remaining inside the EU even if this brought the kind of frontier controls at Gretna and Berwick which many experts dismiss as scare-mongering.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

...David Leask and Kenny Farquarson. Look them up. They were on Twitter the other day talking about accurate export figures to rUK. No one can work them out so they won't be using them until someone does. ...

The Scottish Goverment says it can. It says that 64% of Scottish exports go to the Rest of UK. It doesn't really matter if that figure isn't 'accurate', it still means that the UK is overwhelmingly Scotland's biggest export market. What else is there to say on that subject.

http://www.gov.scot/Topics/Statistics/Browse/Economy/Exports/ESSPublication

Shakethedisease wrote: »

..I am not making this up or fabricating, feel free to read the article for yourself....

As already pointed out, you seemed to failed to have noticed that 57% is more than 43%. Thus proving the exact opposite of what you wanted to prove.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

..There are no definitive answers and you like me are simply speculating. .

But there are definitive answers. Two plus two equals four. The EU commission won't enter discussions with Salmond until there is something to discuss. Which there isn't at the moment, because the referendum said no to independence.

The problem is that you don't like the "definitive answers" and so you prefer "speculating".

beecher2

antrobus wrote: »

But there are definitive answers. Two plus two equals four. The EU commission won't enter discussions with Salmond until there is something to discuss. Which there isn't at the moment, because the referendum said no to independence.

The problem is that you don't like the "definitive answers" and so you prefer "speculating".

this whole thread is full of speculation - I thought that went without saying. We don't know what sort of Brexit we'll have, whether it will lead to an increase in a desire for independence, when a second referendum will be called, and what sort of campaign it might be.

You might think that most people in Scotland would prefer to stay in the UK, than in the EU but the only polling done has shown that people are really very torn between the two, as Shakethedisease has shown. Not just 'facts' come into play, but emotion too.

Think everyone should calm down a wee bit, don't know why it has become so heated.