The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Momentum is lost ? Why it's just starting to ramp up again....

Scots don't support a second independence referendum
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/davidson-now-more-popular-sturgeon-scotland/

antrobus

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

...- Reverse Greenland, Spain allegedly says no. Most of the EU top brass say no...'

Greenland: no withdrawal precedent
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf

Although Greenland seems quite happy about not being in the EU. So I'm not quite sure why it would be touted as an example.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21090048

Oh hang on, Greenland (population 56,000) largely survives because of a whacking big block grant from Denmark. Got to keep the subsidy flowing I suppose.:)

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Momentum is lost ? Why it's just starting to ramp up again.

To the disciples living inside the bubble I'm sure everything is looking hunky dory. To us neutral onlookers. All looks very turgid. Pure unadulterated spin. Meetings without substance. Photograph opportunities with non entities. Policy on the hoof that's totally reactionary. May grab the media headlines for 24 hours, but soon fades. Negative campaigning can only work for so long. Before questions will be asked of those generating it.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

Scots don't support a second independence referendum
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/09/01/davidson-now-more-popular-sturgeon-scotland/

Er the question was referendum immediately v's referendum once the terms of Brexit become clear. Same as the question of Ruth Davidson doing a 'good job as party leader'... v's Nicola Strugeon doing 'a good job as First Minister'. Apples and oranges spun to the max.

Shakethedisease

antrobus wrote: »

Greenland: no withdrawal precedent
http://www.europarl.europa.eu/RegData/etudes/BRIE/2016/577971/EPRS_BRI(2016)577971_EN.pdf

Although Greenland seems quite happy about not being in the EU. So I'm not quite sure why it would be touted as an example.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-21090048

Oh hang on, Greenland (population 56,000) largely survives because of a whacking big block grant from Denmark. Got to keep the subsidy flowing I suppose.:)

I see some have still to move on from the old scrounging Jocks theme. That's so 2011.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I see some have still to move on from the old scrounging Jocks theme. That's so 2011.

so the scrounging goes on unchecked but you don't want it reported or discussed? That's so very national socialist

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

To the disciples living inside the bubble I'm sure everything is looking hunky dory. To us neutral onlookers. All looks very turgid. Pure unadulterated spin. Meetings without substance. Photograph opportunities with non entities. Policy on the hoof that's totally reactionary. May grab the media headlines for 24 hours, but soon fades. Negative campaigning can only work for so long. Before questions will be asked of those generating it.

Are you neutral though ? And I do like your definition of non-entities.

On Monday @NicolaSturgeon will meet the President of Ireland, Michael D. Higgins, (@PresidentIRL) at Áras an Uachtar!in, Dublin.

.@NicolaSturgeon statement after meeting with Irish Taoiseach @EndaKennyTD today.

Sturgeon is certainly getting around these days for a country with no official foreign policy powers. On a more domestic note, it's extremely unusual to see Angus Robertson talking in these terms so openly. He's planting some political seeds imo.

He also expresses “extreme pessimism” about the prospect of progress, signalling that the Prime Minister is now running the real risk of a second independence referendum taking place within two years.

The First Minister is expected to set out her EU options paper early next month, but her deputy appears convinced that as the UK goes in one direction towards a hard Brexit, Scotland will be travelling in the other working to maintain close ties with Europe.

He added: “We are talking about a short number of years in which major decisions are likely to fall and I don’t want to see a gap in Scotland’s relations with the rest of Europe, the European single market, our political relationship, our social relationship, our human rights that are guaranteed by co-operation with the EU.”

When it is suggested that he appears to be pointing to a second vote on Scotland’s future well before 2019 and that Edinburgh would use this period to negotiate Scotland staying in the EU as the UK negotiates to come out, the SNP leader at Westminster replies: “My priority is that there is no period in which Scotland sees its trading, political and social relations with the rest of Europe interrupted.

“A seamless transition and a parallel process, which would involve the Scottish people agreeing that it’s far better for us to be a sovereign country with the ability to have full diplomatic relations with our European neighbours and allowing those discussions to take place with European institutions and EU member states in parallel with the UK’s process of disengagement, is realistic.”

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14929751.Theresa_May_accused_of_contempt_by_SNP_over_Brexit_hotline/

That last paragraph in particular seems to be referring to that possible 'transitional holding pen' option that was floated not long after the Brexit vote. Very interesting from Robertson today, not least for his tone throughout the article !

Discussions on transitional arrangements for an independent Scotland to remain in the European Union (EU) after the UK leaves have been taking place in Brussels, a former senior adviser to the European Commission (EC) has disclosed.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14591378.EU__transitional_holding_pen__talks_for_Scotland_have_been_held__MSPs_told/

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Are you neutral though ? And I do like your definition of non-entities.

Sturgeon is certainly getting around these days for a country with no official foreign policy powers. On a more domestic note, it's extremely unusual to see Angus Robertson talking in these terms so openly. He's planting some political seeds imo.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14929751.Theresa_May_accused_of_contempt_by_SNP_over_Brexit_hotline/

That last paragraph in particular seems to be referring to that possible 'transitional holding pen' option that was floated not long after the Brexit vote. Very interesting from Robertson today, not least for his tone throughout the article !

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14591378.EU__transitional_holding_pen__talks_for_Scotland_have_been_held__MSPs_told/

Oh look, Sturgeon is doing nothing more than having a "jolly" whilst trying desperately to whip up support for whatever plan she thinks will work.

Regarding your first quote and link:

according to the SNP’s deputy leader Angus Robertson.

You seriously expect anyone (or at least, anyone not an SNP supporter) to take as impartial a point of view held by a senior SNP member? Nah. Unlikely at best.

And regarding your second quote and link:

Writing on Twitter, Dr Hughes later clarified that the discussions on Scotland's EU transition had taken place in 2014 but are likely to come up again following Brexit.

Besides the article being almost six months old, trying to suggest that the contents are new when in fact this is based upon supposed occurrences of two years ago is at best disingenuous.

Manipulation yet again and yet another attempt to convince readers that these are facts when yet again they are nothing so definite.
More shameful tripe, in other words.
Still, we're getting used to that from the pro-SNP advocates in this thread - as the responses frequently show.


So instead, and for something much more up-to-date try these:

Nicola Sturgeon’s pursuit of a separate Brexit deal for Scotland is doomed to failure, according to the Welsh First Minister.

https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/politics/holyrood/1096080/welsh-government-claims-separate-scottish-eu-deal-is-doomed-to-fail/

Norwegian minister warns Scotland cannot pursue Nicola Sturgeon 'Norway plan' to stay in single market

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/11/21/norwegian-minister-warns-scotland-cannot-pursue-nicola-sturgeon/

... it emerged 57 per cent would prefer Scotland to be outside the EU if that meant it could retain free trade and open borders with England, Wales and Northern Ireland.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14921366.Beyond_Brexit__More_than_two_out_of_five_Scots_ready_to_stick_with_EU_even_if_this_means_hard_border/

Spain would block any attempt by Scottish First Minister Nicola Sturgeon to keep her country in the European Single Market if the rest of the UK leaves, according to a leading Spanish MEP.

http://uk.businessinsider.com/brexit-sturgeon-spain-single-market-meps-scottish-deal-snp

Moto2

Discussions on transitional arrangements for an independent Scotland to remain in the European Union (EU) after the UK leaves have been taking place in Brussels, a former senior adviser to the European Commission (EC) has disclosed.

Any substance to that?
You know, names, quotes from whoever is being talked to etc?
Or are the SNP again going to expect the people of Scotland to to accept vague references from nameless former advisors as proof?

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Moto2 wrote: »

Any substance to that?
You know, names, quotes from whoever is being talked to etc?
Or are the SNP again going to expect the people of Scotland to to accept vague references from nameless former advisors as proof?

Did you miss the above?
The supposed discussions were in 2014.