The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

You have questioned Shakes post which she had backed up with links.

All I see is you babbling on and calling it BS. Where is your counter information for the neutrals to read?

And since when was the UK government a reliable source?

A link to a newspaper website, citing a lecturer does not prove that the UK government will repatriate powers to Westminster from Holyrood does it?

So saying it will happen as if it were a foregone conclusion based on the mutterings of a lecturer interpreted by a journo isn't evidence that it's suggested or planned to happen.

I don't need to provide any counter link, the sheer absence of anyone saying it will happen officially, or unofficially in high office is enough.

It's like me citing a link from Infowars having Alex Jones talking about how were all under some form of global-elitist-new-world-order mind control and asking you to accept it as fact!

Can we get back to truth please.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

A link to a newspaper website, citing a lecturer does not prove that the UK government will repatriate powers to Westminster from Holyrood does it?

So saying it will happen as if it were a foregone conclusion based on the mutterings of a lecturer interpreted by a journo isn't evidence that it's suggested or planned to happen.

I don't need to provide any counter link, the sheer absence of anyone saying it will happen officially, or unofficially in high office is enough.

It's like me citing a link from Infowars having Alex Jones talking about how were all under some form of global-elitist-new-world-order mind control and asking you to accept it as fact!

Can we get back to truth please.

We're still waiting to hear that from you. Why would anyone be swayed by someone who has "no skin in the game" nothing to do with Scotland other than their own financial interests.

So you still have nothing creditable to back up your claims?

kabayiri

Look, if you do have another referendum, it will come down to who do you trust most.

Some will have already made up their mind either way, so you target the floaters I guess.

You Scots can decide on when this referendum is, just as May and the UK government will decide when to invoke A50. Simple and clean.

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

We're still waiting to hear that from you. Why would anyone be swayed by someone who has "no skin in the game" nothing to do with Scotland other than their own financial interests.

So you still have nothing creditable to back up your claims?

I just told you.

The inability to provide evidence that any of the claims around repatriation of power from Holyrood to Westminster is evidence enough.

Try this, look for yourself. I've even given you a helping hand in doing so.

https://lmgtfy.com/?q=will+Holyrood+lose+powers+after+brexit

elantan

kabayiri wrote: »

Look, if you do have another referendum, it will come down to who do you trust most.

Some will have already made up their mind either way, so you target the floaters I guess.

You Scots can decide on when this referendum is, just as May and the UK government will decide when to invoke A50. Simple and clean.

Yep it is that simple ... I don't get why some are trying to make it more difficult ... if/when we have another indy ref it will be when the time is right ... we can only surmise when that will be

TrickyTree83

At the pro-indy posters.

I posted this:

Originally Posted by TrickyTree83 View Post
I get frustrated because nowhere has it been said that human rights will be repealed and not replaced and neither has it been said that powers will not be returned to Holyrood from the EU where it's clearly a devolved matter. You just make stuff up. And so do your compatriots. It really is exacerbating and exhausting.

Shakethedisease posted this:

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I don't make stuff up. If you think I have then provide evidence of it as just cos you say it don't make it so. I always provide links either as backup or to provoke further discussion or counterpoints as issues arise, and if it's my own opinion I'll generally say so.

You probably just don't like the answers nor the fact I just keep going answering posts regardless. You certainly won't be the first or the last on these threads to feel that way I can assure you of that.

Here, why not calm down and read some of this regarding that GERS paper a few pages back. The parts on pensions or debt allocations post independence should have you reaching for a calming strong alcoholic drink after you perusal... or maybe 4 or 5 ?

http://bellacaledonia.org.uk/2016/11/24/beyond-gers-a-response-to-comments/

Or this one in direct response to Hague and Lovatt.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/9917/robin-mcalpine-evidence-one-trick-unionism-simply-isnt-evolvingEnjoy !

Where in Shakethedisease's post does it address the repatriation of powers from Holyrood to Westminster after leaving the EU?



Clue... it doesn't.

Stop having me rake over this stuff again and again when you can all clearly read and write/type in English.

It's balls to suggest it, there is no evidence for it, it's just another hollow argument/lie to push people into forming a particular opinion.

The End. Move on.

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

Yep it is that simple ... I don't get why some are trying to make it more difficult ... if/when we have another indy ref it will be when the time is right ... we can only surmise when that will be

Just be aware that if the SNP leadership keep on talking about indy ref 2, then they will create an expectation for it.

If they fail to follow up, they end up looking like talking heads.

I'm ambivalent to Scotland leaving the Union. It won't stop life for me. Short term I can see money to be made by rUK, but long term it will be good for you to stand on your own 2 feet.

elantan

kabayiri wrote: »

Just be aware that if the SNP leadership keep on talking about indy ref 2, then they will create an expectation for it.

If they fail to follow up, they end up looking like talking heads.

I'm ambivalent to Scotland leaving the Union. It won't stop life for me. Short term I can see money to be made by rUK, but long term it will be good for you to stand on your own 2 feet.

This is the beauty of it all that maybe some people have not noticed, the SNP maybe mention indy ref2 once a month, then for the rest of the month Labour, Tory and Libdems go on and on and on about it for the rest of the month, get on with the day job, stop going on about indyref etc.. and coming out with scare stories, meanwhile the SNP sit back and let them tire themselves out. Not trying to be nasty but please actually listen to it... sit with a pen and paper and over the course of a month tick off how many times SNP, Lab< Tory and Libdems talk about it... It can be hilarious.

I think whats happening just now is Sturgeon is just biding her time as Shake has said, she can't call an indy ref too soon as we dont know what May is up to, but if she calls one too late then yes she does stand the risk of looking like a bobbing head, I some how dont think she will do that though, i'm pretty sure she has realised that to do so would mean she wouldn't last too much longer.


I wouldn't like to be in her shoes, but would rather be in her shoes than May's.

beecher2

kabayiri wrote: »

Just be aware that if the SNP leadership keep on talking about indy ref 2, then they will create an expectation for it.

If they fail to follow up, they end up looking like talking heads.

I'm ambivalent to Scotland leaving the Union. It won't stop life for me. Short term I can see money to be made by rUK, but long term it will be good for you to stand on your own 2 feet.

You might be interested in this article, which I thought was quite balanced

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/nicola-sturgeon-snp-referendum

kabayiri

beecher2 wrote: »

You might be interested in this article, which I thought was quite balanced

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2016/nov/25/nicola-sturgeon-snp-referendum

My problem with all this is that I don't have that much respect for any politicians. They are too self serving, by and large.

I do like what Mark Blyth has to say. He comes across as a very intelligent Scot.

I do believe there are alternatives to the current globalisation trend, but you don't need to have independence to explore them.

A small example

https://www.thezebra.com/insurance-news/3052/uber-lyft-alternatives/

The good folk of Austin, Texas it seems are non too impressed with the widescale expansion of Uber. The result is that they have essentially banned Uber; democratised the other options; and the result is still a modern service but also more money in the drivers' pockets.

That sounds to me like a true example of taking back control in your own city/locality whatever. Edinburgh or Glasgow could easily take such a lead.

All this talk about windfarms won't deliver any competitive edge. It's just pie in the sky. That market has moved on.