The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Again, you expect those of us who know better to believe that Sturgeon is telling the truth?
Experience (as in the link I provided) shows this to be unlikely.

No doubt in a few weeks time when "Sturgeon slaps a plan in front of May containing ALL options for Scotland to stay in the Single Market" doesn't materialise you will as usual backtrack, dodge the issue etc. etc.
You may well yet regret that post.

No. I fully expect anything Sturgeon puts in front of May to be dismissed out of hand.

Sturgeon will certainly be hoping so ! Most of us on the pro-indy side are all hoping the same. I think you've perhaps missed what the intentions and the implications of May's refusal actually are with this plan.

Either Scotland gets a special deal staying in the Single Market, or the UK as a whole is heading for a very soft Brexit, or there's a second referendum on the cards.

Moto2

So not on behalf of the Scottish government's Brexit operations?

You keep telling us it's not an SNP thing and then tell us that Salmond is - in his role as SNP International Affairs and Europe spokesperson in the House of Commons - scoping out possible EFTA options in their HQ

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Sturgeon will certainly be hoping so ! .

Isn't she - apparently - working in the best interest of the Scottish people and will (maybe) put forward options with that in mind?

Why on earth would she hope those proposals are turned down?

Shakethedisease

The_Last_Username wrote: »

No, you are deliberately attempting to mislead as is the implication with many of your posts.

Eh ? 62% / 38% was the result in Scotland of Remain v's Leave. Sorry for stating the obvious for you. But I can't really see what part of the above you are failing massively to understand. 62/38 62/38 62/38...<---- was the actual result. You are clutching at some very small tiny wee titchy straws here in terms of debating what a 'voter' is or what misleading is.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. I fully expect anything Sturgeon puts in front of May to be dismissed out of hand.

Sturgeon will certainly be hoping so ! Most of us on the pro-indy side are all hoping the same. I think you've perhaps missed what the intentions and the implications of May's refusal actually are with this plan.

Either Scotland gets a special deal staying in the Single Market, or the UK as a whole is heading for a very soft Brexit, or there's a second referendum on the cards.

Let's wait & see exactly what Sturgeon puts forward eh?
Because I have certainly not missed the implications - the problem is that you are believing presumptions again before anything has happened.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

It's not happened yet, and no one has said they won't be transferred back to Holyrood from Brussels because no one knows what powers are coming back and which are not.

Like I said, imaginary. You might as well have said you're starting the world first unicorn farm to boost exports.

Tricky let me again state this very slowly and clearly for you. Fishing and Agriculture are already totally devolved to Scotland. But are currently under EU control. Leaving the EU means these will no longer be under EU control, and thus should then automatically be under the Scottish Govt's control.

If Westminster wants them, they're going to have to take back powers from Holyrood and take control back. This will not go down well in Holyrood, nor with a lot of Scots who were told that voting Leave would ensure these powers automatically go to Holyrood.

Do you think Westminster will leave Fishing control in full in the Scottish Govt's hands ?

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Isn't she - apparently - working in the best interest of the Scottish people and will (maybe) put forward options with that in mind?

Why on earth would she hope those proposals are turned down?

She promised to explore any and every single option that would allow Scotland to remain in the Single Market and that's what she's doing. If May refuses out of hand, then it shoots both Scottish Labour and Lib Dems foxes. Since they are absolutely desperate to find a way for Scotland to stay in the Single Market AND in the UK.

It also presents a black and white choice to Scots should there be a future referendum. Stick with the Tories imposing all sorts of crap in Holyrood against Scottish wishes and out of the EU. Or go independent and and stay in the Single Market. There will be no one in Scotland left in any doubt that there are any other possible or feasible options that can be explored. Nor any last minute offers or Vows. It's either or.

Unless there's a Soft Brexit of course. Then we can all carry on as normal.

The_Last_Username

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Eh ? 62% / 38% was the result in Scotland of Remain v's Leave. Sorry for stating the obvious for you. But I can't really see what part of the above you are failing massively to understand. 62/38 62/38 62/38...<---- was the actual result. You are clutching at some very small tiny wee titchy straws here in terms of debating what a 'voter' is or what misleading is.

No, sadly it is yourself that lacks the capacity to understand the difference between truth and deception.
Lets try again.

It was the result of those that actually bothered to vote in Scotland.
It was NOT the result of all voters in Scotland.
Which is very different, because you said: "However it should always be remembered that 62% of Scots voters regardless of party affiliations voted to Remain within the EU in full"

As I very clearly explain, that is simply untrue and is misleading.
Again:
Scottish Electorate: 3,987,112
Of which voted to remain in the EU: 1,661,191
Which equates to 41.66% of Scots voters, NOT the 62% you quote.

Now if you had said "62% of Scots who voted ........." you may perhaps see the distinction?

In light of the link posted earlier by Jock which contains:

Mr Russell was also slammed by opponents for exaggerating the level of Scottish support for the EU - telling delegates that "five million" Scots voted to Remain in the EU. In fact, just 1.6 million voted to Remain, with one million voting to Leave.

I think that clarifying your incorrect statement is quite appropriate.
It seems that the straw-clutcher is yourself if you genuinely fail to comprehend the difference.

Moto2

Shakethedisease wrote: »

She promised to explore any and every single option that would allow Scotland to remain in the Single Market and that's what she's doing. If May refuses out of hand, then it shoots both Scottish Labour and Lib Dems foxes. Since they are absolutely desperate to find a way for Scotland to stay in the Single Market AND in the UK.

It also presents a black and white choice to Scots should there be a future referendum. Stick with the Tories imposing all sorts of crap in Holyrood against Scottish wishes and out of the EU. Or go independent and and stay in the Single Market. There will be no one in Scotland left in any doubt that there are any other possible or feasible options that can be explored. Nor any last minute offers or Vows. It's either or.

Unless there's a Soft Brexit of course. Then we can all carry on as normal.

Yeah, yeah
But why would she hope the proposals (to give Scotland the best deal) are turned down?

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

So not on behalf of the Scottish government's Brexit operations?

You keep telling us it's not an SNP thing and then tell us that Salmond is - in his role as SNP International Affairs and Europe spokesperson in the House of Commons - scoping out possible EFTA options in their HQ

I dare say he's working in his capacity as a elected MP of Scotland and the majority of voters ( who voted in the EU referendum just in case someone misunderstands ).. in Scotland who voted Remain. Exactly as he should be.