The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

That's some mess the UK is in thanks to the vote in June ... ah well I'm sure once indy happens England and Wales will be able to sort their mess out ... I do have sympathy for for Ireland and Gibraltar though... I hope they manage to get something sorted for themselves

mayonnaise

elantan wrote: »

That's some mess the UK is in thanks to the vote in June ... ah well I'm sure once indy happens England and Wales will be able to sort their mess out ... I do have sympathy for for Ireland and Gibraltar though... I hope they manage to get something sorted for themselves

Have some sympathy for the 48.1% in England who didn't vote for this mess either eh....

elantan

Oh I absolutely do, it's some mess ... I still can't fathom out why people voted the way they did, and wonder if they would still vote the same

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Do you not read the news ?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37993028

Salmonds also in the news floating about in EFTA headquarters and Scottish reps have been in Liechtenstein.

Looks like the Scottish Govt and MP's have been quietly getting a case together to present to May in the next few weeks. And potentially to put forward to Scots in the event of a second ref, if rUK/media keeps shouting loudly about hard borders and choosing between rUK and EU trade ( as they have been doing already).

Rather than providing links to already-old reports, you're suggesting that Nicola's being truthful there?
From my earlier link:

The SNP government's Brexit position looks to be an absolute shambles. If it isn't Alex Salmond touring TV studios it's Mike Russell blabbering in Brussels.

Rather than claiming absolute fantasies, the SNP should be outlining a coherent response to the UK's vote to leave the EU.

And from your own old linked report from last week:

Academics have warned again that this proposal would be the worst of all worlds, trapping Scotland in an EU-wide pact over which we would have no influence, and cutting us off from our biggest and nearest market in the rest of the UK.

Nah, Salmond's off on a jolly (no surprise there) whilst Sturgeon continues to spout the usual rubbish just to give folks like you something (slim) to hold on to.
Nothing more.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

mayonnaise wrote: »

Have some sympathy for the 48.1% in England who didn't vote for this mess either eh....

How sweet it is to see you and Elantan getting on so well together.
Two anarchists in a pod, as it were.
Neither of you seem to think much of democracy, after all.
Perhaps you should really get together - you could then join Elantan when she leaves as she has said she will.
Much happiness will surely abound.

Moto2

Salmond is just being used to give Sturgeon deniability, should she need it.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

This is just speculation.

An imagined affront.

If Nicola made these points during the discussion on Brexit, and I would hope she did rather than harp on about independence and red lines, then you will find that the UK government will not do as you and others speculate unless there is good reason as the UK (all of us) to do so.

It was Leave advocates during the Brexit ref that were up here telling all and sundry that a Leave vote meant more powers for Scotland. Sturgeon was openly saying not to believe a single word of it.

Can we get back to facts? What's your response to what I said about your trade situation?

It was in my answer to medium jock.

Looks like the Scottish Govt and MP's have been quietly getting a case together to present to May in the next few weeks. And potentially to put forward to Scots in the event of a second ref, if rUK/media keeps shouting loudly about hard borders and choosing between rUK and EU trade ( as they have been doing already).

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Rather than providing links to already-old reports, you're suggesting that Nicola's being truthful there?
From my earlier link:

And from your own old linked report from last week:

My goodness, you ask for proof that EFTA options are being explored, I provide you with a link to Nicola Sturgeon confirming this to be the case and that's still not good enough for you.

This option wouldn't trap Scotland anywhere. In fact it would solve the problem of a hard Brexit and trade borders should rUK get a terrible deal from the EU. Scotland would be free to persue a deal with rUK outwith the EU. Not only that it would bring former Yes voters who voted to Leave the EU back on board to the pro indy side.

However it should always be remembered that 62% of Scots voters regardless of party affiliations voted to Remain within the EU in full.

Nah, Salmond's off on a jolly (no surprise there) whilst Sturgeon continues to spout the usual rubbish just to give folks like you something (slim) to hold on to.
Nothing more.

We'll see in a few weeks time when Sturgeon slaps a plan in front of May containing ALL options for Scotland to stay in the Single Market even if the UK doesn't.

The First Minister acknowledged it would be “challenging”, but said the Scottish Government would publish proposals on securing a special deal for Scotland in the coming weeks.
It followed Ms Sturgeon saying on Saturday that unless Theresa May shielded Scotland from a hard Brexit involving loss of single market membership, she would hold a second referendum

http://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/14805314.Nicola_Sturgeon_to_publish_plan_for_Scotland_to_stay_in_single_market_after_Brexit/?commentSort=score

Unfortunately for your assertions above. Sturgeon tends to do exactly what she says she will. With plenty of fair warning in advance.

Shakethedisease

Moto2 wrote: »

Salmond is just being used to give Sturgeon deniability, should she need it.

The most likely explanation is far more simple. He's just doing his job.

He is currently the Member of Parliament (MP) for Gordon and is the SNP International Affairs and Europe spokesperson in the House of Commons, following his election to the UK House of Commons in 2015.

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It was Leave advocates during the Brexit ref that were up here telling all and sundry that a Leave vote meant more powers for Scotland. Sturgeon was openly saying not to believe a single word of it.

It was in my answer to medium jock.

It's not happened yet, and no one has said they won't be transferred back to Holyrood from Brussels because no one knows what powers are coming back and which are not.

Like I said, imaginary. You might as well have said you're starting the world first unicorn farm to boost exports.