The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Moto2

The Gov have already said that they'll only build complex warships within the UK.
So not sure how it could stay in Scotland if they were to leave the UK, maybe some auxiliary fleet vessels but not fighting ships.

kabayiri

Nellybee wrote: »

With these Royal Navy ships that are going to be built in Scotland would it not have been a way for the UK government to fire a warning shot to Scotland .They could of delayed the announcement after all what happens if The Scots do get there wish.Do the Scots want border controls are they prepared for there own currency , are they prepared for the loss of jobs and paying college fees and for prescriptions.These things dont seem to get debated and are much more important to Scotland infact when they are mentioned to SNP members they sidestep the questions.Also is this true Banff & Buchan and probably a few other constituencies voted for Brexit.

They should stage the contract in phases.

You don't really want to overcommit and have warships built by an independent country ideally.

At the same time, you cant wait forever, and need to be a bit pragmatic.

Longer term, there would be a much smaller relationship anyway. Scotland would be free to build for any country, not just rUK.

mrginge

kabayiri wrote: »

And what if they don't call it a "hard Brexit", and leave many of the major issues to be resolved during the negotiations?

That's exactly what will happen.

For all the bluster, the queen of Scotland has absolutely nowhere to go on this at the moment.

How would the vast majority of moderate Scots feel about being *forced* to make an independence decision based on two unknown options?

She will be put swiftly back in her little box as soon as she starts any serious kicking off. And it'll be done by both the UK govt and the EU.

Thrugelmir

kabayiri wrote: »

Nicola is in control of her plans.

Appears reactionary rather than having any particular vision. That's the danger with constantly digging holes. One day you end up falling into a self made one.

beecher2

mrginge wrote: »

That's exactly what will happen.

For all the bluster, the queen of Scotland has absolutely nowhere to go on this at the moment.

How would the vast majority of moderate Scots feel about being *forced* to make an independence decision based on two unknown options?

She will be put swiftly back in her little box as soon as she starts any serious kicking off. And it'll be done by both the UK govt and the EU.

Really quite a patronising tone there. So much for the partnership of equals.

kabayiri

beecher2 wrote: »

Really quite a patronising tone there. So much for the partnership of equals.

It's true though, in so much as politicians are able to be two-faced, yet quite comfortable with it.

So, PM May might say one thing in public, with a different tone in the negotiating rooms.

Sturgeon will have to try and 'smoke them out' by exposing the reality.

And then, how do you cope with radical changes in tone in the negotiations, because the German or French elections are coming up.

All I can see is a right old dogs dinner of a mess, undecipherable to most of us.

I think the time limit side of A50 recognises this, by trying to force some kind of limit on proceedings.

Portillo could be right. Nearly 2 years of protracted discussion of stuff all, followed by a flurry of pragmatism.

Are the SNP willing to wait right until the end?

mrginge

beecher2 wrote: »

Really quite a patronising tone there. So much for the partnership of equals.

Until the agenda changes from independence at any cost into something a bit more conciliatory there will never be a partnership of equals.

elantan

mrginge wrote: »

That's exactly what will happen.

For all the bluster, the queen of Scotland has absolutely nowhere to go on this at the moment.

How would the vast majority of moderate Scots feel about being *forced* to make an independence decision based on two unknown options?

She will be put swiftly back in her little box as soon as she starts any serious kicking off. And it'll be done by both the UK govt and the EU.

I didn't realise Elizabeth was involved in the negotiations ?

Thrugelmir

beecher2 wrote: »

The timing is so tricky. Call a referendum too early and no-one knows what type of Brexit has been agreed. No point going on what kind of Brexit the UK wants, as ultimately it is down to the other member states and we have to take it or leave it. Call it too late and there's the uncertainty of whether we'll be in the EU. Call it at any time without being confident in the numbers, then who knows what'll happen.

Wouldn't want to be in NS's shoes.

What sort of Brexit does NS actually want? Or does it actually matter. As fault will be found in any event. As constantly looking for an angle to plug independence. Leave it too late and the window might close firmly again.

kabayiri

beecher2 wrote: »

Really quite a patronising tone there. So much for the partnership of equals.

Lol.

And you bought that phrase?

It's just soundbite politics, it means nothing.