The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

CLAPTON wrote: »

one can't even praise scotland without an SNP acolyte complaining

I'd let this poster carry on, it's comedy gold.

TrickyTree83

Some meme's do tell the truth

kabayiri

sss555s wrote: »

Let's take a more relevant look at employment in the UK...



http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-business-35357497

Look at the changes that are happening though.

The pressure on local government to reduce spend will continue, for example. We have chosen to protect things like the NHS, so the burden will fall on other areas.

I fully expect to seem more consolidation of shared services in local councils. In fact, one of our (fairly disliked) Service Providers is gearing up to gain more of this market.

Local back office jobs in personnel, payroll, legal support, administration, these will all go in favour of centralised functions provided by external companies.

Maybe some of these will be replaced by leisure or discretionary jobs. It's notable that coffee shops have increased 20 fold in less than 2 decades, for example. But these aren't in the main high value.

A proactive Scotland could try and seize on these opportunities I suppose.

sss555s

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

*Boring noise from someone who has no vote and no idea*

You must be one very bored pensioner/ unemployed to sit on here all day, every day and try and blast over your desperate hopes to every post in favour of an independent Scotland.

What you have to realise is your [STRIKE]hopes opinions estimates[/STRIKE] facts go out of the window if the UK have a hard brexit and Scotland has the chance to remain in the EU.

So you can quote any piece of historical nonsense you can find on the internet as much as you like as it's all irrelevant to Scotland's long term future.

On an economical front, it's nice Hamish has seen the light the way things are looking and support from Rugged Toast as in what he would do if he was living in Scotland.

TrickyTree83

kabayiri wrote: »

Look at the changes that are happening though.

The pressure on local government to reduce spend will continue, for example. We have chosen to protect things like the NHS, so the burden will fall on other areas.

I fully expect to seem more consolidation of shared services in local councils. In fact, one of our (fairly disliked) Service Providers is gearing up to gain more of this market.

Local back office jobs in personnel, payroll, legal support, administration, these will all go in favour of centralised functions provided by external companies.

Maybe some of these will be replaced by leisure or discretionary jobs. It's notable that coffee shops have increased 20 fold in less than 2 decades, for example. But these aren't in the main high value.

A proactive Scotland could try and seize on these opportunities I suppose.

Moving back to considered debate.

Centralisation will reduce cost, I agree. However independence will require Scotland to create it's own governmental infrastructure for areas where currently... there's nothing.

They've not factored in this cost alongside all of the other economic costs. They will need to provide their very own equivalents of the foreign office, DVLA, HMRC, DWP, DoH, MoD, and many more.

Just to illustrate the sheer scale of what's required:

https://www.gov.uk/government/organisations

They already have a few from the list that would be required to run Scotland, decentralisation though is going to cost, and who is picking up that tab?

TrickyTree83

sss555s wrote: »

You must be one very bored pensioner/ unemployed to sit on here all day, every day and try and blast over your desperate hopes to every post in favour of an independent Scotland.

What you have to realise is your [STRIKE]hopes opinions estimates[/STRIKE] facts go out of the window if the UK have a hard brexit and Scotland has the chance to remain in the EU.

So you can quote any piece of historical nonsense you can find on the internet as much as you like as it's all irrelevant to Scotland's long term future.

On an economical front, it's nice Hamish has seen the light the way things are looking and support from Rugged Toast as in what he would do if he was living in Scotland.

Sorry to burst your indy bubble but on that last post I was referring to your "nonsense" about the jobs figures.

You're a delight to debate.

Edit: FYI, in the event of a hard brexit, the independence case is worse. Then we can pivot over to the argument you hilariously bungled earlier regarding where 64% of Scottish trade goes compared to 11% of Scottish trade. Post away friend, post away.

Thrugelmir

sss555s wrote: »

What you have to realise is your [STRIKE]hopes opinions estimates[/STRIKE] facts go out of the window if the UK have a hard brexit and Scotland has the chance to remain in the EU.

With a hard Brexit will come an harder landing for Scotland. That's why Nicola is panicking already. The prize has to be won now or never.

sss555s

kabayiri wrote: »

Look at the changes that are happening though.

The pressure on local government to reduce spend will continue, for example. We have chosen to protect things like the NHS, so the burden will fall on other areas.

I fully expect to seem more consolidation of shared services in local councils. In fact, one of our (fairly disliked) Service Providers is gearing up to gain more of this market.

Local back office jobs in personnel, payroll, legal support, administration, these will all go in favour of centralised functions provided by external companies.

Maybe some of these will be replaced by leisure or discretionary jobs. It's notable that coffee shops have increased 20 fold in less than 2 decades, for example. But these aren't in the main high value.

A proactive Scotland could try and seize on these opportunities I suppose.

Don't you see that Scotland taking it's self out of the current Brexit future could be it's best move and to try and find it's best long term future?
I'm not looking forward to a post Brexit Scotland.

kabayiri

sss555s wrote: »

Don't you see that Scotland taking it's self out of the current Brexit future could be it's best move and to try and find it's best long term future?
I'm not looking forward to a post Brexit Scotland.

Well, my take is that the EU has failed most of it's member states when it comes to global economic issues.

The Asian economies have outperformed to a level where they are now the ones we should be doing deals with.

The current EU budget social cohesion fund has 85 billion more Euros going in to Poland, alongside the significant money ploughed in the previous budget periods.

What is there to suggest Scotland would be an EU priority for investment? The Visegraad countries are going to fight over any budget reallocation, and your GDP per capita figures are still higher than theirs.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I've left a lot out of that.

I got bored.

Thank gawd for that. We must have only seen each and every one of those whytepaper/kevinhague points posted and shared about 100,000 times before you posted them here in Scottish political discussions since 2011 up until now.

You were lucky you only had to suffer through a few months of Brexit project fear from Stronger In actually. Very lucky indeed. Oh and we also had to suffer through loads of eye wateringly large 'Scotland in Union/Better Together' meme's and slogans every second post from a certain poster here who would chew his arm off rather than vote SNP.

Deja vu.