The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

.string.

kabayiri wrote: »

What a load of 'devolved baloney'.

Migrants are going where the work is !!

Don't you get that?

For very different reasons that means East of England and London as popular destinations.

Nothing is stopping companies setting up in Scotland; becoming successful; growing; and advertising for more staff across Europe. Nothing. Not one bit.

Our favourite faux Geordie, Mike Ashley, employs loads of migrant workers in Derbyshire. He doesn't need devolution to tell him where to base his distribution warehouses.

If you had a Tory led Scottish parliament you might start attracting jobs .

Yes, and I wonder who's to blame for that.

Survey: Scottish independence threat causing more economic damage than Brexit

Nicola Sturgeon’s threat of a second independence referendum is inflicting more damage than Brexit on business demand for office, factory and shop space in Scotland, chartered surveyors have warned.

A major report by the Royal Institution of Chartered Surveyors (RICS) found that Scotland experienced the largest drop in demand for commercial property of anywhere in the UK in the three months following the EU referendum vote.

A series of Scottish surveyors blamed the slump on Ms Sturgeon’s threat of a second independence referendum, which she said was “highly likely” in the hours following the June 23 Brexit result.

One said this was “having a more detrimental effect” on the market than Brexit itself, another complained that the SNP had added to the uncertainty and a third said the “biggest problem” in Scotland was the prospect of an independence vote.

While business demand for premises rose across the whole of the UK between July and September, in Scotland 24 per cent more surveyors reported a drop in demand than said there had been an increase.


Central London and Scotland are the only two areas of the country where rents are not expected to increase thanks to demand levels. Foreign investment inquiries were down for a second successive quarter north of the Border.

The report further undermines the First Minister’s claim that calling a second referendum would be justified if Scotland does not retain access to the EU single market.

Mike Russell, her Brexit Minister, yesterday repeatedly dodged questions about why this is more important than the UK single market, which is worth more than four times more to Scottish companies.

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He also denied the independence threat was causing additional uncertainty but this was flatly contradicted by testimony in the RICS report.

Niall Burns , a partner with Edinburgh-based Burns and Shaw property consultants, said: “The threat of a second referendum is having a more detrimental effect on commercial property in Scotland than Brexit.”

Gavin Anderson, partner in the retail and leisure division of Glasgow-based Montagu Evans, said: “The biggest problem in Scotland post-Brexit has been the SNP’s threat of another Scottish independence referendum, which is the last thing the country needs.”

Mike Dillon, a director of Kames Property in Glasgow, said: “Market conditions (are) poor with SNP adding to political uncertainty in addition to Brexit. Prospects look poor for the foreseeable future.”

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

Yes, and I wonder who's to blame for that.

Keep digging and hole is only going to get bigger. Can only be naievity that causes people to believe their own rhetoric.

TrickyTree83

.string. wrote: »

Yes, and I wonder who's to blame for that.

Survey: Scottish independence threat causing more economic damage than Brexit

Let me see if I've learnt anything about SNP discourse. I'll attempt to respond on their behalf.

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But what about the UK?

TrickyTree83

Came across this. It's how I feel.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

God forbid you might need to offer free tuition to English people to boost numbers.

God forbid the English offer free tuition to the English first.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

That link was from July 12th 2014. I'm surprised you remind us of how things have changed since that time, oil-wise.

There was actually a reason for that date outlined in my post.

entire period of the last referendum one of the very prominent reasons continually put forward against independence was 'an aging population'.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

Yup, as is quoting The Wee Ginger Dug as anything other than one person's opinion.
Would you like to hazard a wild guess at the political persuasion of Mr Kavanagh & his Wee Ginger Dug?
If you're in any doubt, have a read of the link below.
Want to be quick?
Look at the first comment below the "piece".


For those south of the border who may not know:
https://weegingerdug.wordpress.com/whits-aw-this/

*shrugs* try these then.

http://blogs.lse.ac.uk/europpblog/2016/07/04/brexit-and-spain-would-the-spanish-government-really-block-scotlands-eu-membership/

https://www.opendemocracy.net/uk/kirsty-hughes/scotland-and-eu-post-brexit-independent-scotland-in-eu-or-outside-with-uk

Or here https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/8951/ian-merrilees-why-spain-has-no-veto-over-scotlands-place-eu

The Spanish object to Kosovo on constitutional grounds, so they don't recognise them. But they've had no problem with other eastern European countries joining the EU so far.

On 18 February 2008, Spanish Foreign Minister Miguel Ángel Moratinos said that Spain would not recognise Kosovo because the declaration of independence did not respect international law. He also said that the independence of Kosovo would only be legal if it was the result of agreement by all sides involved or if there had been a UNSC resolution

As long as Westminster recognises Scotland as independent, then Spain will have absolutely no problem with it being constitutionally in line with their own views. Rajoy in particular will be hoping so given those fishing grounds.

There's a good chance anyway that Scotland remaining will be on a majority vote rather than a veto basis. Given Scotland won't be actually leaving the EU first. You've all let the 2014 Spain comfort blanket take over, without actually finding out what it means in relation to Spanish politics.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

What a load of 'devolved baloney'.

Migrants are going where the work is !!

Don't you get that?

For very different reasons that means East of England and London as popular destinations.

Nothing is stopping companies setting up in Scotland; becoming successful; growing; and advertising for more staff across Europe. Nothing. Not one bit.

Our favourite faux Geordie, Mike Ashley, employs loads of migrant workers in Derbyshire. He doesn't need devolution to tell him where to base his distribution warehouses.

If you had a Tory led Scottish parliament you might start attracting jobs .

Emigration is the problem in Scotland, not immigration. Off the top of my head Scotland needs around 23,000 a year. Am pretty sure that could be achieved with an immigration policy which is far more tailored to Scottish demographic needs.. rather than those of Boston's or the South East.

You're forgetting to scale down everything to 8.4% of the UK. Scotland needs it's own immigration policies and quickly too. And it wants to keep those students in Scotland once they qualify.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Yes, and I wonder who's to blame for that.

Survey: Scottish independence threat causing more economic damage than Brexit

Was that based on quotes from just 3 RICS persons ? With absolutely no figures to back any of it up ?

And the UK has just voted to leave the EU, and you honestly think that it's a so far uncalled Scottish referendum which may not happen is causing loads of 'uncertainty'. Riiiiight... :rotfl:You guys really need to take some deep breaths. You're bordering on the ludicrious now with the Brexit elephant in the room.

Edit :- and in the Telegraph too. That well known balanced reporter when it comes to Scottish issues.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

I gave an appropriate response to a flippant deflection from the issue under discussion at the time.

Yes it certainly made me laugh. But you didn't answer the question. If Scotland voted to leave the UK.. and the rUK is leaving the EU. Why wouldn't the EU want to hold talks with Scotland ?

Any advance on flippancy and any chance of a coherent answer from you ? Even if it's hypothetical. I'm expected to detail macro/micro economic policy and currency options A,B,C and D for an independent Scotland for the short and medium term on a referendum that hasn't been called yet, or even won just about daily here from some posters.

Hypothetically if Scotland votes to leave the UK, and Article 50 has been invoked. Scotland no longer part of talks ( independence ). Would the EU want to talk to Scotland in that case ? How could Scotland 'leave' the EU if it's no longer part of Article 50 ?

Any insight from you would be good. Hypothetically speaking.