The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Generali

If you Google around a bit, and have a strong stomach, there are some very unpleasant stats around things like wife beating after Old Firm games.

Personally I was very glad when Rangers went bust and look forward to the same thing for Celtic. Their apologists in the media have a lot to answer for too as they help legitimise the whole fiasco.

Generali

elantan wrote: »

I tend to avoid the main street of the village I live in from early Junish till aound End of July Beginning August ... I go in and out the village via the back roads, my village was the star facebook share during the last old firm game ... sigh

I spose it explains the nazi jacobite separatist scum nick name I was guve during indy ref ... and the threat of 2 bullets between the eyes ... Lovely class of people

The more I think about this the more it makes me angry. People shouldn't be parading hate around the place and making honest, normal people afraid to walk the streets of their own village.

The police should break the whole thing up, or I don't know. Something. Can't we round them all up and send them for re-education in somewhere dreadful like Barnsley or something?

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

If you Google around a bit, and have a strong stomach, there are some very unpleasant stats around things like wife beating after Old Firm games.

Personally I was very glad when Rangers went bust and look forward to the same thing for Celtic. Their apologists in the media have a lot to answer for too as they help legitimise the whole fiasco.

Well getting back a little bit to the politics in the context of the above. This is why there was such consternation last year, especially from women's groups and charities, when Jim Murphy was all for reintroducing sales of alcohol at football matches last year in order to reattract 'Glasgow man' back into the Labour fold ( win those Yes voters back ).

Context is everything in this case, and alcohol and old firm games do not mix.

However, long gone are the days when my gran wouldn't attend her daughters wedding because she was marrying a Catholic and didn't speak to her for a few years afterwards. Spoke about my cousins in hushed tones also because they were baptised in a Catholic church as if it was something to be really ashamed of. There's not much of that sort of thing goes on anymore. But it was rife in Scottish society for a long time. Is like homophobia though, and being gradually eroded. Not quick enough by any means, but Prody/Tim stuff is becoming a very outdated view. The rest in my own opinion is just an excuse for football hooliganism to raise it's ugly head. Or an excuse for a massive booze up and all that goes with it when the OO has taken over the pubs in town.

Shakethedisease

Generali wrote: »

The more I think about this the more it makes me angry. People shouldn't be parading hate around the place and making honest, normal people afraid to walk the streets of their own village.

The police should break the whole thing up, it's a farce.

The SNP made it unlawful to sing sectarian songs at football games... ie 'up to our knees in fenian blood, surrender or you'll die'.. that sort of thing. It's a crude and blunt instrument. But there's a real push back going on now from other parties in terms of free speech to revoke it.

Am a bit torn. But it can't be overly nice if Catholic to hear that being sung by a big crowd every few Saturday's, or when the Orange Walk passes your front door.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The SNP made it unlawful to sing sectarian songs at football games... ie 'up to our knees in fenian blood, surrender or you'll die'.. that sort of thing. It's a crude and blunt instrument. But there's a real push back going on now from other parties in terms of free speech to revoke it.

Am a bit torn. But it can't be overly nice if Catholic to hear that being sung by a big crowd every few Saturday's, or when the Orange Walk passes your front door.

Doesn't it cut both ways? I can't imagine that either side holds back much.

chucknorris

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'd agree with it being football related more than religion these days.

Firstly I should say that I am not the slightest bit religious, in fact, when I got engaged to an old girlfriend the first thing her father said to me on hearing the news, was that he didn't believe in mixed marriages. I thought that he was inferring that I wasn't Caucasian, it wasn't until I said, I'm 100% white (I'm not racist either by the way), and he said but you are not catholic, that I knew what the hell he was going on about. I was really surprised that he took religion so seriously (my girlfriend didn't), it was my first exposure to a religious fanatic.

But the point that I was going to make was, when I was a young boy, I picked Celtic as my (Scottish) football team to follow (in European competitions etc.). Without knowing that religion was somehow connected to it all, historically I am church of England, but for all the attention I pay to that, I might as well be a member of the Judean People's Front (I don't hate the Romans either). By the time I realised that technically I should be following Rangers, it was too late, because my sympathies were with Celtic, and anyway football was so much more important than religion (in my world). But later in life, when I traveled the world a bit, and I became aware of the resentment that some Scots have for the English, eventually my support for Celtic evaporated.

elantan

Generali wrote: »

Doesn't it cut both ways? I can't imagine that either side holds back much.

It may well do but ( and I totally accept my knowledge on the subject is minimal even though I live in the middle of it) my understand is there are many more OO marches than hibs walks, I was under the impression hibs walks were banned but later found out they are not

One walk either side is out of order, one song at a football game is out of order as well ... but my understanding is it's very much the OO and rangers fans that rule that particular roost ... but I accept this may not be the case as I am predominantly living in an OO area

Like Shake I am kinda torn with the legislation, something had to be done, it was getting out of order, but maybe it needs revisited and made more fit for purpose now

And as for Jim Murphy and his alcohol at the game... he really was desperate wasn't he

zagubov

You didn't have to support either team based on religion. It simply happened to be an enormous cosmic coincidence that Rangers didn't get round to signing catholic players while Celtic signed anybody good regardless of religion, which (in Glasgow) meant it frequently fielded a protestant majority team.

If you were protestant and looking for a team to support you could pick either team (and many chose Celtic to follow) and if you were catholic you could choose the team who'd have considered letting you play for them or the one that never would.

To an outsider, it looks like the bigotry's symmetrical. It only takes one side to be sectarian before the whole place looks the same way.

Generali

elantan wrote: »

It may well do but ( and I totally accept my knowledge on the subject is minimal even though I live in the middle of it) my understand is there are many more OO marches than hibs walks, I was under the impression hibs walks were banned but later found out they are not

One walk either side is out of order, one song at a football game is out of order as well ... but my understanding is it's very much the OO and rangers fans that rule that particular roost ... but I accept this may not be the case as I am predominantly living in an OO area

Like Shake I am kinda torn with the legislation, something had to be done, it was getting out of order, but maybe it needs revisited and made more fit for purpose now

And as for Jim Murphy and his alcohol at the game... he really was desperate wasn't he

We have alcohol at football and cricket matches here without much incident.

elantan

Alcohol and Scotland don't mix well though, which is another sad thing about the country I live in