The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

The last referendum campaign started with 25% for indy and ended up with 45% for indy.

The starting position today is 47% for indy....

I'd not be too sure that current polls will reflect the final outcome.

Especially with the extraordinary levels of bigotry coming out of Westminster at the moment - the rhetoric coming from the Tory conference was little short of disgusting - and today's fillibuster on the gay pardon issue was a national disgrace.

I could accept the bad parts of both the Conservative party and the Union because I saw them as being outweighed by the good.

That is rapidly changing....

And I know for a fact I'm not the only Conservative voter in Scotland to think so.

and yet................

why aren't the nicola's private polls showing at least 60%?

.string.

elantan wrote: »

Utterly disgraceful shameful and shambolic behaviour from WM today ... disgusted by their treatment of pardoning gay men

Disgusted doesn't even come close

Much like I felt when I read this bit of petty smut

elantan wrote: »

I hears she was a bit sexually suggestive today during PMQ, havnt watched it yet but I did vomit a bit in my mouth at the though

Took me right back to pigate YUK

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Well I'm pretty much the opposite of an 'SNP Cultist', being a life long conservative voter and one of the more vociferous campaigners around here for the union, but I'll have a go.

If the UK chooses a hard Brexit the resultant hit to the UK economy would be roughly on par with the (factually correct IMO) warnings about the economic impact of Scottish Indy back when we all assumed the UK was staying in the EU.

And that's a game changer.

The same warnings that applied to Scotland leaving the UK then - a worse deficit than Greece, long term economic decline, etc, all apply to the UK leaving the EU today.

And therefore also to Scotland as a part of that UK.

So frankly we have a lot less to lose now, relatively speaking, but an awful lot more potential upside to being the one remaining part of the UK to stay in the EU or Single Market.

Which means we'd have a real opportunity to asset strip hundreds of billions of pounds worth of investment and economic activity away from the rapidly diminishing Brexitary rUK.



Hopefully the Euro - whilst we'd need to make significant cuts to get the deficit in line those cuts would ultimately be forced on the UK by the markets anyway - we're currently suffering a Sterling Crisis of a magnitude that would have toppled governments not that long ago on just a vote to leave let alone leaving.

So best just get on with it and have Scotland move towards adopting the Euro before any more exchange rate damage is done.

We should also join the Schengen zone as well to maximise free movement and efficiency.

Wow. You've really cast off the shackles of reality there and gone into full on liberal lefty dream mode. For someone who claims to have voted conservative all their life too, which I now find that difficult to believe in the face of such irrational fantasy of opinion. This takes me back to your threat of a recession greater by multiple orders of magnitude to the 2008 crisis if the UK voted to leave. You were wrong then and you're wrong now.

It seems there is an epidemic of the loss of rational and critical thought in this country at the moment. These big political questions are bringing it all to the fore like a victorian bleeding.

setmefree2

Interesting change of position Hamish. The same problem remains that the SNP had two years ago, you have to convince Scotland to use the Euro otherwise the Financial sector will up and leave to London.

setmefree2

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Hopefully the Euro - whilst we'd need to make significant cuts to get the deficit in line those cuts would ultimately be forced on the UK by the markets anyway - we're currently suffering a Sterling Crisis of a magnitude that would have toppled governments not that long ago on just a vote to leave let alone leaving.

Good Luck getting people to vote for that. You're gonna have to offer a better vision of the future to have any chance of success.

Your vision of an apocalyptic outcome for rUK could of course be incorrect. We could be trading with Canada etc while you are left shackled to the EU with high barriers of trade against the rest of the world : Including the UK which is worth 4 times as much to Scotland than it's trade with the EU.

mollycat

.string. wrote: »

Much like I felt when I read this bit of petty smut

Yep, the independence "movement" is riddled with this kind of "chip on the shoulders" double standards.

Good luck trying to explain that to some of them though!

elantan

.string. wrote: »

Much like I felt when I read this bit of petty smut

Yep your right that was also disgusting ... a PM making innuendo jokes like that is also disgusting ... no wonder people have little to no respect for WM ... the behaviour durin PMQ is horrendous

So the last PM had pig ate to contend with ( still can't get my head around that one) and this one makes smutty jokes causing the house to collapse into uncontrolled dirty laughter ... and these are the people we pick to run our country ?

setmefree2

elantan wrote: »

Yep your right that was also disgusting ... a PM making innuendo jokes like that is also disgusting ... no wonder people have little to no respect for WM ... the behaviour durin PMQ is horrendous

Errrr did you even watch it? - it wasn't even clear that she knew what she was saying - that's why it was funny. And it was funny. What are you - a puritan?

elantan

setmefree2 wrote: »

Errrr did you even watch it? - it wasn't even clear that she knew what she was saying - that's why it was funny. And it was funny. What are you - a puritan?

I did eventually watch it ( after making the original post as stated I hadn't watched it yet)

It was plainly obvious she knew what she was doing ... unless your suggesting that May is not intelligent enough to know these things ? I didn't find it in the least bit funny, and I certainly expect better behaviour from the government .. And before anyone thinks she wouldn't say that if it was HR yes ... yes I would

PMQ is the face these people show the world, it's the most watched weekly governmental proceedings and this is the face our country in crisis chooses you use ?

setmefree2

elantan wrote: »

I did eventually watch it ( after making the original post as stated I hadn't watched it yet)

It was plainly obvious she knew what she was doing ... unless your suggesting that May is not intelligent enough to know these things ? I didn't find it in the least bit funny, and I certainly expect better behaviour from the government .. And before anyone thinks she wouldn't say that if it was HR yes ... yes I would

PMQ is the face these people show the world, it's the most watched weekly proceedings and this is the face our country in crisis chooses you use ?

I thought it was funny. And it wasn't plainly obvious she knew what she was doing.....

...how old are you?

Personally if I had the surname Bone - I would change it - it's always going to get a laugh....Mr Bone is funny, Mrs Bone even funnier....