The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

I know it's so strange isn't it ... we all share the same dna ... yet some of us hate immigrants and want to control other people lives as if we're better than them ... and let's not even consider the possibility that they may want to have the governmwnt they vote for every single time or even decide how much tax to charge certain parts of the economy


Bizzare indeed

No one made you vote for a party that can never take power in Westminster. And some people in England hate immigrants the same as some people in Scotland hate immigrants. Do not presume that because of where you live you are somehow more pious than others, or you'll be the embodiment of the very bigotry you profess to hate.

elantan

kelpie35 wrote: »

I am VERY proud to say I am a scot.

I would never vote for independance because I am a very sensible scottish person.

I do not wish my part of the country to become bankrupt.

My personal view is that Sturgeon just likes to hear her own voice. She has no respect for the people of Scotland who disagree with her views.

And you are totally invited to share your view ... and welcome to the thread ...

Not everyone will agree with you however ... but I'm sure you understand that

Incidentally are you suggesting that those that do want independence are not sensible ?

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

No one made you vote for a party that can never take power in Westminster. And some people in England hate immigrants the same as some people in Scotland hate immigrants. Do not presume that because of where you live you are somehow more pious than others, or you'll be the embodiment of the very bigotry you profess to hate.

We voted for the party that we think will best look after our interests ... just like everyone else did .. I'm very well aware that there are individuals in Scotland that dislike immigrants .... however ... our government in Scotland certainly don't condone the outpouring of rhetoric bile that spewed from the Tory party conference last week ... the Tories incidentally whom govern Scotland ... even thought they have 1 MP

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

We voted for the party that we think will best look after our interests ... just like everyone else did .. I'm very well aware that there are individuals in Scotland that dislike immigrants .... however ... our government in Scotland certainly don't condone the outpouring of rhetoric bile that spewed from the Tory party conference last week ... the Tories incidentally whom govern Scotland ... even thought they have 1 MP

It's who governs the UK.

This is where your problems lie, you're convinced you're different, in a good way, but the reality is we're all cut from the same cloth.

You may dislike the Conservatives, so why vote for the SNP and guarantee Conservative government? Scotland is over represented in Westminster in terms of population to MP ratio. Yet you squander it and then blame everyone else. When you've cut your nose off to spite your face by becoming independent there will be no going back. You'll have broken it, for good. Instead of getting behind a party that can have influence in Westminster because they are a UK wide party rather than a divisive nationalist party, which is what you've all gone and done.

There will be no one else to blame when all the unanswered questions and the issues they represent come home to roost in the event of independence.

islandannie

elantan wrote: »

Ahem ....





Check oot 1707 ... funnily enough that's when Scotland joined Britain and the prefix Great was added

Yes that was when our Scottish pound was valued at 12 to the English pound.
Lets be grateful for a union which took us from being the poorest nation in Europe to one of the richest nations on earth.

Or you could really push for independence and return us the the condition we were in before union.

skintmacflint

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

There will be no one else to blame when all the unanswered questions and the issues they represent come home to roost in the event of independence.

Imagine it will be the EU to start with. Then if my memory serves me right, history shows when totalitarian socialist governments run out of 'others' to blame, they simply turn on their people.

setmefree2

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

I truly wish we all felt British, but if you don't and you want independence then how can you also expect to remain a British citizen. That's so nuts.

Nicola Sturgeon Brexit demand that Scotland remains in EU single market if UK leaves is 'impossible'

In an interview with the Telegraph, Professor Michael Keating rejected her claim that Scotland can be in both the EU and UK single markets if her warnings of a hard Brexit come true.
He said “it’s not possible” because the EU creates a border around its single market outside of which trade barriers and tariffs apply. If Scotland was inside and England outside, he said that would create a “hard” economic border between the two restricting the movement of goods, services and people.

In a round of interviews promoting her plan, Ms Sturgeon dismissed this as a “scare” story because the British Government is expected to strike a deal with the Republic of Ireland to maintain free movement of people across the border with Northern Ireland.

But Prof Keating said this would not apply to the trade of goods or services, with barriers and tariffs applying if the Republic of Ireland is inside the EU single market and the UK is outside.

The European Commission confirmed that members of the EU single market do not have the power to negotiate bilateral trade deals with countries outside it.

Among her other demands, which she laid out in her opening speech to the SNP conference in Glasgow on Thursday, is that Scotland is given some power over immigration and to strike international trade deals.
However, Ms Sturgeon made clear that she regards Scotland being in the EU single market as a red line, even if the UK comes out.

Prof Keating, who is director of Edinburgh University’s Centre on Constitutional Change, said: “It’s not possible.
“If Scotland was in the single market and the UK was outside, there would be a hard economic border between Scotland and England. There would not be free movement of people, services, capital and goods. I just don’t think that’s going to work.
“Any trade deal negotiated by the countries in the single market is negotiated by the EU.” Pressed on Ms Sturgeon’s claim that anything is possible as Brexit is “unchartered territory”, he added: “It’s never been done before because it’s not possible.”

The academic said a deal could be reached that saw Scotland participate in European policies not related to the single market but that would not resolve the dominant issue of trade.

Ms Sturgeon’s Irish comparison is “not relevant”, he added, noting that it is only a deal to continue the common travel area and Ireland is not permitted under EU rules to strike its own trade deals.

Scotland trades more than four times as much with the rest of the UK than the EU but the SNP leader told Radio Four’s Today programme that it was “absolutely vital for our economy” that it is not taken out of the European single market.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/10/14/nicola-sturgeon-brexit-demand-that-scotland-remains-in-eu-single/

Is Sturgeon really as thick as she sounds?

setmefree2

Can there be anything more harmful to Scotland's business sector than what Sturgeon did yesterday?

In the future we can be sure that rUK will be trading with the pound and will probably be outside the EU trading on a WTO schedule.

Scotland - well who the heck knows - could be the pound, could be the Euro - might be in the EU might be in the UK.

Why would anyone invest in Scotland?

setmefree2

Distillers want free access to markets

THE Scotch Whisky Association (SWA) has urged the UK Government to support the industry by pressing for ambitious free trade deals with key growth markets such as India, China and Brazil, as the sector prepares for life outside the European Union (EU).
As the UK prepares to kick-start the process of putting Brexit into action, the SWA has urged Westminster to prioritise putting trade deals in place with the markets that offer distillers the biggest global growth potential.
Chief among those are India, where despite sustained efforts the EU has been unable to secure unfettered access to the market for Scotch whisky distillers.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/business/14801455.Distillers_want_free_access_to_markets/

TrickyTree83

Remember what I was saying about rebalancing Scottish trade -

Sturgeon to announce 'open for business' Scots trade plans - http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-37661319

She's years too late, now going off half cocked in indy2 with a plethora of holes in her argument.

Could these moves be taken as an admission that trade with Europe needs to increase dramatically to make independence work from the number 1 nationalist? Looks like it to me.