The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No, I expect it will be tough going even to get another referendum. But the obstacles will be political rather than legal which conversely, will only serve to build independence support further.

with so many factors building support for independence further, have you not reached 95% already or even a more modest 60% ?

however, it would be useful if Nicola would tell the scottish people what the plan for currency was for post iscotland... it would almost certainly build further support for iscotland

islandannie

Just in case any of you SNP supporters still think that they care for the benefit of the Scottish population as a whole.Will you please watch this link exposing the conditions which the population of the first ministers own constituents have to endure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OPmkh1RJ-A

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But support for the UK was only 55% on a higher turnout compared to 62% for the EU on a lower turnout. Terribly unclear and time to choose which it's to be.

If we're going to be honest the EU referendum results in Scotland were skewed. It could possibly be higher for Remain or higher for Leave within that 62% turnout.

The EU referendum question in Scotland wasn't simply about the EU for many voters, it was what was the best way to vote to either increase or decrease a decision which could trigger all the nonsense we're getting now about a 2nd Indy referendum.

Jim Fairlie ex deputy SNP leader and an SNP member since 1955, 15 years before Sturgeon was before s once again calling out Sturgeon on her desperation to remain part of the EU. Saying the SNP is in danger of killing Independence. You can find his if you take a look at

jimfairlie.blogspot.co.uk

For over 2 years you have argued on this thread and the other, how it is only right and natural for the Scottish people to control all of its decisions and laws. Because we must know what is best for us.How unfair it was , that we got governemnts we didn't vote for due to our population size being so small in comparison. How far removed and remote Westminster was.

So how exactly do you square that with having all of Scotland's laws , including those magical levers which give Scotland surgical precision to control its economy , dictated by and decided in Brussels. Sturgeon will be reduced to Mayor status, rubber stamping EU decided laws and policies. All of which are decided by a group of people not a single person in 600 milli Europeans ever voted for.

Simple answer is you can't.

skintmacflint

It appears the SNP have compiled a list of EU members living in Scotland. As evidenced by the fact they wrote a grovelling letter to each and everyone of them, they could identify, trying to bolster support for SNP, by offering assurances. They just love a good database do the SNP. Lol.

Not that they can give any as SNP can't give any asssurances as they have no control over the legislation.

Shakethedisease

islandannie wrote: »

Just in case any of you SNP supporters still think that they care for the benefit of the Scottish population as a whole.Will you please watch this link exposing the conditions which the population of the first ministers own constituents have to endure.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OPmkh1RJ-A

I think Labour run that particular council. Just as well they'll be out in May then.

Meanwhile back at Scottish Govt central ( as opposed to local govt ) 6 hours ago

Those living in Scotland have the best quality of life in the UK, according to a new survey measuring the factors that shape Briton's lives. According to the Social Progress Index, which assesses health, safety, access to education and individual rights, England was behind both Scotland and Northern Ireland when it came to quality of life, ahead only of Wales.
The discoveries were based on data collected from 37 regions across the UK as part of the a pan-European project by the European Commission and the Social Progress Imperitive.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scotland-quality-of-life-table-rankings-best-in-uk-a7355016.html

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

If we're going to be honest the EU referendum results in Scotland were skewed. It could possibly be higher for Remain or higher for Leave within that 62% turnout.

The EU referendum question in Scotland wasn't simply about the EU for many voters, it was what was the best way to vote to either increase or decrease a decision which could trigger all the nonsense we're getting now about a 2nd Indy referendum.

Jim Fairlie ex deputy SNP leader and an SNP member since 1955, 15 years before Sturgeon was before s once again calling out Sturgeon on her desperation to remain part of the EU. Saying the SNP is in danger of killing Independence. You can find his if you take a look at

jimfairlie.blogspot.co.uk

For over 2 years you have argued on this thread and the other, how it is only right and natural for the Scottish people to control all of its decisions and laws. Because we must know what is best for us.How unfair it was , that we got governemnts we didn't vote for due to our population size being so small in comparison. How far removed and remote Westminster was.

So how exactly do you square that with having all of Scotland's laws , including those magical levers which give Scotland surgical precision to control its economy , dictated by and decided in Brussels. Sturgeon will be reduced to Mayor status, rubber stamping EU decided laws and policies. All of which are decided by a group of people not a single person in 600 milli Europeans ever voted for.

Simple answer is you can't.

Been posting here since 2009. Scotland has been in the EU as part of the UK for all that time. So unlikely they'll be handing over anything if Scotland stays in the EU. Is the 'status quo'.

Shakethedisease

skintmacflint wrote: »

It appears the SNP have compiled a list of EU members living in Scotland. As evidenced by the fact they wrote a grovelling letter to each and everyone of them, they could identify, trying to bolster support for SNP, by offering assurances. They just love a good database do the SNP. Lol.

Not that they can give any as SNP can't give any asssurances as they have no control over the legislation.

You read and actually believe the Express don't you ?

Mhairi Hunter ‏@MhairiHunter Oct 10 Just saw Express. Secret list = electoral register. You're welcome.

No secret list, EU nationals can vote in Scotland in some elections and referendums. Hence are on the electoral register, nothing sinister, nothing compiled. Story = non story. Nice touch with the letter I thought, reassured a lot of frightened people.

*babysitting, yawn. I knew that nap I let him have after tea time was a big mistake.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think Labour run that particular council. Just as well they'll be out in May then.

Meanwhile back at Scottish Govt central ( as opposed to local govt ) 6 hours ago
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/scotland-quality-of-life-table-rankings-best-in-uk-a7355016.html

one would certainly expect the massive handouts the scots receive from the english, would indeed improve their quality of life.
once they lose those handouts and have to start contributing to the welfare of the poorer eu countries things may change.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Been posting here since 2009. Scotland has been in the EU as part of the UK for all that time. So unlikely they'll be handing over anything if Scotland stays in the EU. Is the 'status quo'.

Wrong on 2 points.

First Scotland has enjoyed all the opt outs and exceptions negotiated by the UK. Which it won't once the UK leaves. So it won't be the 'status quo' you speak of.

Second, everyone apart from you it seems , knows ever closer political union is necessary, if and a big if the EU is to survive. This includes fiscal, monetary, defence , currency and foreign policy. So it isn't the 'status quo' as you try to call it. It's something completely different, which s why most Leave voters voted for Brexit. Something which very few of my fellow remainers seem willing to admit.

But you SNP voters obviously think Sturgeon and her mentor are so damned smart and powerful with their army of 1 .6 million supporters that they are going to be able to negotiate their own terms while asking for a large handout at the same time.

As for it being a coup for Scotland to choose the EU over the UK, your mask is slipping. Only a bitter anti British individual would think that. Certainly Merkel won't. You better hope Merkel isn't voted back in the 2017 elections as she despises nationalism. One of the key founding reasons for the EU project was to rid Europe of nationalism, to enable the United States of Europe to materialise.Merkel is fully committed to integration of the EU Project.

skintmacflint

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You read and actually believe the Express don't you ?
No secret list, EU nationals can vote in Scotland in some elections and referendums. Hence are on the electoral register, nothing sinister, nothing compiled. Story = non story. Nice touch with the letter I thought, reassured a lot of frightened people.

*babysitting, yawn. I knew that nap I let him have after tea time was a big mistake.

Asks the person who reads, believes and quotes Wings Over Scotland. :rotfl:

Don't recall mentioning a secret list. Your words not mine. But the electoral roll is surely to be used for election purposes, or fraud detection etc. Not for the Scottish alleged government to contact a specific group of voters from it with propoganda. And it was propoganda as SNP at the time they contacted these EU nationals could offer no assurances, and they still can't even now.

More public funding wasted by SNP, just like their now debunked White Paper.