The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I'm interested in Shake's view.

Is as it's been since the vote. May is against both the political case and the economic case and has to decide which way to jump.

If she even gets the choice given the court cases against her having the final say at all instead of parliament.

elantan

kay0601 wrote: »

We can but hope! Sturgeon and her ilk should get on with running the country instead of twittering on with the independence stuff imo.

I think you will find if you bother to look that's it's the Tories and Labour that keep twittering on about indy ... think you will also find if you bother to look that the country is being run, why just this week the steel works were re opened ... unlike WM which are still stuck not knowing what to do with the whole Brexit thing

But by all means keep reading your msm spin and keep giving me a laugh

ruggedtoast

May's government is flat footed and in general disarray. To characterise the absurdity of the situation, the Three Brexiteers cornerstone strategy is to recomission some kind of floating hotel lobby to sail around selling the UK to the Commonwealth. In a display of imperial arrogance that will remind them how much that wound them all up in the 50s.

Meanwhile canny Scots watch and wait as May dithers, and Boris Johnson, a man whose abilities might politely be described as modest, lectures the EU on its future expansion by demanding it accede Turkey, a country whose putative entry he was only recently using to demand Brexit.

Like an apple ripening on the branch, Nicola Sturgeon has only to wait for the right time to pluck the sweet fruit of independence for Scotland. And meanwhile the EU are lining up to offer her the ladder.

Leanne1812

Anyone care to comment/challenge Hamish's take re EU membership?

Since anyone else's views are dismissed I thought some of you may take it more seriously as he can be seen as unbiased, certainly pro Union.

ruggedtoast

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Anyone care to comment/challenge Hamish's take re EU membership?

Since anyone else's views are dismissed I thought some of you may take it more seriously as he can be seen as unbiased, certainly pro Union.

Looked at another way, what downside would there be for the EU in accommodating Scotland?

Spain's objections would be considerably lessened, it would be a great way to stick the boot into an rUK that would already be reeling from the post Brexit mess the Tories are making, on top of being split down the middle and losing Scotland.

Brexit isn't an amicable parting of ways, its a giant F you to the European Project, and as such its hard to see the Europeans responding any differently.

Rinoa

During questions to first minister Scottish Conservative MSP Murdo Fraser asked Nicola Sturgeon whether the police had adequate resources:

"Given the number of the first minister's Westminster colleagues now helping the police with their inquiries, is the first minister confident that Police Scotland has the resources to deal with this upsurge in their workload?"

Ouch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37510109

zagubov

Rinoa wrote: »

During questions to first minister Scottish Conservative MSP Murdo Fraser asked Nicola Sturgeon whether the police had adequate resources:



Ouch.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-37510109

Never mind. Somebody will be along soon to complain that the SNP are running a police state/dictatorship/one-party state in Scotland. They'll ignore the fact that the police scrutiny shows that the police are independent, and that political parties are being held to account. So it goes.

elantan

zagubov wrote: »

Never mind. Somebody will be along soon to complain that the SNP are running a police state/dictatorship/one-party state in Scotland. They'll ignore the fact that the police scrutiny shows that the police are independent, and that political parties are being held to account. So it goes.

I did wonder where Nicola's mouth was with all the Tories being investigated still due to GE 2015 .... there's plenty of them

TrickyTree83

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Anyone care to comment/challenge Hamish's take re EU membership?

Since anyone else's views are dismissed I thought some of you may take it more seriously as he can be seen as unbiased, certainly pro Union.

Really?

Where's this recession that he was predicting that was, what was it again, twice? Three? Four times as bad as the global financial crash of 2008 if we voted to leave?

He also seems to think the single market is the be all and end all, as do the SNP apparently. The economics say differently. So I can only assume that his red line of wanting to remain in the single market is an emotional one, or a political one.

If there was to be a hard brexit, the 64% of trade with the rUK is far more important to peoples shelter and food on the table in Scotland than the 11% of the single market. And yes I'm fully aware that neither segment of trade would stop overnight. But you're utlimately taking a gamble by voting for independence within the EU, in the hard brexit situation you'll be gambling with 64% of trade with the rUK whilst keeping 11% of trade with the EU in the bank. The smart play is to do the opposite, maths I think a toddler could probably work out.

There will be businesses in Scotland that would move south into the rUK since that is their main market. Those jobs and that tax revenue would also move south. Yes it's also true that some businesses may choose to move north from the rUK but I would wager that the majority would prefer to move to the continent within the EU. Also this process of moving businesses out of one country and into another would take years to re-balance.

I don't think Hamish is un-biased on this at all. No one is. I would like the union to remain as it is since the economic damage to the rUK would be bad but the damage to Scotland would be much worse. 5 million people in the single market would have a tougher time riding out such an economic impact than the UK outside of the single market but still having ability to access the single market, like every other country on the planet.

TrickyTree83

ruggedtoast wrote: »

May's government is flat footed and in general disarray. To characterise the absurdity of the situation, the Three Brexiteers cornerstone strategy is to recomission some kind of floating hotel lobby to sail around selling the UK to the Commonwealth. In a display of imperial arrogance that will remind them how much that wound them all up in the 50s.

Meanwhile canny Scots watch and wait as May dithers, and Boris Johnson, a man whose abilities might politely be described as modest, lectures the EU on its future expansion by demanding it accede Turkey, a country whose putative entry he was only recently using to demand Brexit.

Like an apple ripening on the branch, Nicola Sturgeon has only to wait for the right time to pluck the sweet fruit of independence for Scotland. And meanwhile the EU are lining up to offer her the ladder.

And then the reality of economics comes back into focus and compeltely destroys the fairytale.

When the economic argument makes sense, the rest of the arguments won't even matter and independence will be a foregone conclusion. Until then it's an uphill battle in a head wind at best, and at worst a dream that will never come to fruition.