The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

If you're desperately clinging onto the vain hope that the only way you can prevent independence is to try and stop another independence referendum. Then you're in very deep trouble already.

Sturgeon will ask Westminster if the Scottish Govt can hold a legally binding one. Will wish with all her might that the request be refused since it will boost independence support up by several points. She will get her wish as 'permission' will be denied. Then the Scottish Govt will simply call an advisory one anyway like the EU one was.

https://www.commonspace.scot/articles/9376/exclusive-alex-salmond-says-westminster-will-have-no-alternative-allow-second-indyref

Note :- Scottish parliament to legislate on. Westminster calling any bluffs isn't going to happen.

Sillars never has.

so why doesn't she do it NOW?
all this hot air : do it NOW

TrickyTree83

Apparently there's nothing to prevent independence. It is as inevitable as death, but they're waiting until the time is right.


Go figure...

The_Last_Username

CLAPTON wrote: »

so why doesn't she do it NOW?
all this hot air : do it NOW

Ah well you see ........... despite what some very shakey debaters may suggest, deep down Nicola knows that the SNP stand a slightly-better-than-evens chance of losing.
If they lose (twice in relatively short succession) it really would set indepenence back by decades.

Leanne1812

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Ah well you see ........... despite what some very shakey debaters may suggest, deep down Nicola knows that the SNP stand a slightly-better-than-evens chance of losing.
If they lose (twice in relatively short succession) it really would set indepenence back by decades.

I think most of us are aware the next indyref will be the last for a long, long time. So yes, you're right in that respect.

The case has yet to be made but be in no doubt the wheels are in motion and behind the scenes work is being done.

I guess we're all just waiting on Theresa to get the ball rolling and see what deal is brokered.

I did read today Liam Fox appears confident there will be free trade post brexit. Commentators have described him as delusional.

TrickyTree83

The_Last_Username wrote: »

Ah well you see ........... despite what some very shakey debaters may suggest, deep down Nicola knows that the SNP stand a slightly-better-than-evens chance of losing.
If they lose (twice in relatively short succession) it really would set indepenence back by decades.

Perhaps indefinitely if there is also a hard brexit that works for the people. We will indeed be better together and the EU single market will have been shown to be less important than the SNP make it out to be as part of their current soap box show. 11% will never trump 64%.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Apparently there's nothing to prevent independence. It is as inevitable as death, but they're waiting until the time is right.
Go figure...

I didn't realise I'd have to state the absolute obvious points but there are two of them.

1) Article 50 has to be invoked in order to meet the material change which is stated in the SNP manifesto in May. Nothing has changed yet.

2) The longer the wait the much greater chance there is that headless chicken dithering, screw ups, gaffes and very the realistic chance that after spending absolute ages pretending they hold all the cards on what Brexiteers and Westminster want deal wise from the EU - that once negotiations actually start the EU will just laugh and say 'get tae' to all of them. - have of happening.

Getting Brexit through the devolved parliaments will be a huge challenge too which is bound to cause untold friction in both NI and Scotland. May's honeymoon has been extremely short and she's looking weak, lost and seems to have gone into hiding.

Sturgeon is wisely holding off for all that to unfold first. I certainly would in her shoes.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

Perhaps indefinitely if there is also a hard brexit that works for the people. We will indeed be better together and the EU single market will have been shown to be less important than the SNP make it out to be as part of their current soap box show. 11% will never trump 64%.

You think Scots will pass up independence for the sake of temporary trade with rUK ? Perhaps in a world where the UK has lost most other concrete trade deals it already has, and the pound is going down the pan along with 1000's of job losses and manufacturing and finance are all moving bases elsewhere.

There's a reason Article 50 hasn't been invoked yet and no one in government has had the gumption to even outline what the electorate can expect. It's because whatever it is, is not going to be good news.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I didn't realise I'd have to state the absolute obvious points but there are two of them.

1) Article 50 has to be invoked in order to meet the material change which is stated in the SNP manifesto in May. Nothing has changed yet.

make up condition by Nicola to hide the fact there was no majority in scotland fo independence

2) The longer the wait the much greater chance there is that headless chicken dithering, screw ups, gaffes and very the realistic chance that after spending absolute ages pretending they hold all the cards on what Brexiteers and Westminster want deal wise from the EU - that once negotiations actually start the EU will just laugh and say 'get tae' to all of them. - have of happening.

Getting Brexit through the devolved parliaments will be a huge challenge too which is bound to cause untold friction in both NI and Scotland. May's honeymoon has been extremely short and she's looking weak, lost and seems to have gone into hiding.

Sturgeon is wisely holding off for all that to unfold first. I certainly would in her shoes.

she has to wait because there is still no majority for iscotland so any old rubbish excuse will satisfy the SNP acolytes.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You think Scots will pass up independence for the sake of temporary trade with rUK ? Perhaps in a world where the UK has lost most other concrete trade deals it already has, and the pound is going down the pan along with 1000's of job losses and manufacturing and finance are all moving bases elsewhere.

There's a reason Article 50 hasn't been invoked yet and no one in government has had the gumption to even outline what the electorate can expect. It's because whatever it is, is not going to be good news.

I'm quite liking the fact article 50 hasn't been invoked yet, it gives us more time to get things ironed out for the next round, I know CW is working on a few things as are WFI and no doubt RIC

In a way May is playing an awfy dangerous game ...

It's deff been entertaining watching things as they happen

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's a reason Article 50 hasn't been invoked yet

Please inform us then. We'd all be interested to know.