The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

.string. wrote: »

It is, of course, monstrous that EU Nationals should get to vote on matters affecting either the UK or Scotland.

This was challenged before but fizzled out for some reason, so this question is to the Unionists here : is there any action in Scotland to stop this outrage?

Come to that, is there any activity in Scotland to allow Scots in the rest of the UK to vote?

If there is not, then there should be, in my opinion.

Ooops I apologise hey Atleast I can do that ... you admitting people born in Scotland are also EU nationals yet and that I'm not talking rubbish ? Or you just gonna ignore that bit ?

CLAPTON

there is no nation called the EU
no country in the world recognises the EU as a sovereign nation
there is no nationality that is EU.

is general usage, it might be said that EU nationals means people who have citizenship of a EU nation but they do not have rights of a sovereign nation

islandannie

That is so far over the SEPS heads that I fear you are merely wasting keystrokes on them.

islandannie

Most SNP policies are laughable.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/08/scottish-named-person-delayed-john-swinney

I wonder how much consultation with lawyers preceeded this embarrassment.

.string.

elantan wrote: »

Ooops I apologise hey Atleast I can do that ... you admitting people born in Scotland are also EU nationals yet and that I'm not talking rubbish ? Or you just gonna ignore that bit ?

Thank you.

The reason the remark about Scots being EU "Nationals" irritated me was not because of the matter of use/misuse of the term but because the remark itself had absolutely no relevance to the issue I raised. The issue was about non-Scottish people voting in matters affecting Scotland. Pointing out that Scots are EU "Nationals" had as much relevance as would have been pointing out that they were male or female.

.string.

islandannie wrote: »

Most SNP policies are laughable.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/08/scottish-named-person-delayed-john-swinney

I wonder how much consultation with lawyers preceeded this embarrassment.

Orwellian indeed.

I presume the welfare of the child, as dictated by the State appointed mentor includes instruction on what is right and wrong.

I also presume that the mentor does not have to be an SNP member ....




... yet.

zagubov

islandannie wrote: »

Most SNP policies are laughable.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2016/sep/08/scottish-named-person-delayed-john-swinney

I wonder how much consultation with lawyers preceeded this embarrassment.

.string. wrote: »

Orwellian indeed.

I presume the welfare of the child, as dictated by the State appointed mentor includes instruction on what is right and wrong.

I also presume that the mentor does not have to be an SNP member ....




... yet.

Did you criticise Labour when Labour first proposed the named person system?

elantan

https://hansard.digiminster.com/Commons/2016-09-06/debates/5F32C5B7-11E3-4530-BBD5-36EEC9062E7B/ClaimOfRightForScotland


Interesting debate going on down in WM ...

A_Medium_Size_Jock

elantan wrote: »

https://hansard.digiminster.com/Commons/2016-09-06/debates/5F32C5B7-11E3-4530-BBD5-36EEC9062E7B/ClaimOfRightForScotland


Interesting debate going on down in WM ...

You have your tenses wrong.
This was Tuesday.
As in, 6th September.

Now, seeing as the question has been put and agreed to, it is marked by the House Of Commons as "resolved".
Hence you should have said "Interesting debate gone down in WM."

BTW, I particularly liked Michael Gove's rejoinder:

"I congratulate the hon. Member for Glasgow North (Patrick Grady) on the lucid, passionate and effective way in which he laid out the case for independence, and on using the constitutional history behind the Claim of Right as a legitimising factor for independence. However, ​as he was gracious enough to acknowledge, when the Claim of Right was re-established in 1989 by cross-party consensus, the Scottish National party stood aside from that consensus. That was because the SNP position towards our constitution has always been what Henry Ford’s was towards the Model T. Henry Ford said, “You can have your car in any colour you like, as long as it’s black,” and the SNP says, “The Scottish people can decide on any constitutional future they like, provided they choose independence.”

.string.

zagubov wrote: »

Did you criticise Labour when Labour first proposed the named person system?

I had not heard before of such a scheme as this was to be implemented but I would have criticised it if it was the same as this one. When was that?

Was the Labour one proposed for Scotland? Was it "universal" and applied to everyone regardless of the need for it? Did it have the same privacy implications?