The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

A_Medium_Size_Jock wrote: »

:T
Quite so.

I'm constantly amazed by the amount of straws being clutched-at by iScotland supporters, both in media and in threads like this one.
The sheer desperation is ....... well, laughable is perhaps the most polite description; deluded being another which springs immediately to mind.

Sturgeon, by her continued insistent pursuance of independence AND of EU membership, is doing not only her own reputation but that of the whole SNP party far more harm than good.
Because as Scots, many of us realise that the whole issue is fraught with uncertainty and (as Clapton and others so correctly state in this very thread) no firm plans are forthcoming from the SNP.
Which is very telling.

At it time when - if independence really IS what the SNP want - the party should be producing their ideas and plans formulated over previous decades in readiness for a fight for independence there is instead bluster.
Jaunts to visit a few European dignitaries in attempts to garner support.
Rhetoric and empty half-promises.

This will (as has been said before in this thread) without doubt lead to decreasing support - not only for the SNP but for independence; indeed, IMHO it will set back any real chance of independence for Scotland by decades.

You keep on comforting yourself with those wishful thoughts won't you.

Guy Verhofstadt Verified It's wrong that Scotland might be taken out of EU, when it voted to stay. Happy to discuss w. @NicolaSturgeon next time she's in Bxl. #EUref

Nick Eardley 2h2 hours ago Guy Verhofstadt to play key role in Brexit talks. Has said it would be wrong for Scotland to be taken out of EU

Faisal Islam
Faisal Islam Retweeted Guy Verhofstadt
Sample Verhofstadt tweet from post Brexit vote - now lead EU parliament A50 negotiator... Met with Sturgeon too

Guy Verhofstadt Boris Johnson is ready to sacrifice voice of 17 million Britains to become PM of UK, or rather the PM of England & Wales..

BBC: "(Can Scotland) stay (in EU) without having to join a queue?" Guy Verhofstadt: "Yeah,"

Verhofstadt answered: "I think this possibility has to exist, yeah. Because if Scotland decides to leave the UK, to be an independent state, and they decide to be part of the European Union I think there is no big obstacle to do that."But again, that is a decision to be made by the Scottish people in a referendum now if they organise one".

http://stv.tv/news/politics/1358976-no-big-obstacle-to-independent-scotland-joining-eu/

2 hours ago

Guy Verhofstadt, the famously straight-talking former prime minister of Belgium, has been appointed as the EU parliament’s lead negotiator for Brexit.
Mr Verhofstadt said it was an “honour” to take the role “which will play a central role in an Article 50 deal and any future EU-UK agreements.”

https://www.ft.com/content/e4a965e7-d1f5-37a5-8902-5c6d791bcf9f

It's your own desperation for Scotland to be kept out of the EU just because 'reasons' that's showing, not the other way round I'm afraid. rUK is leaving full EU membership and whatever that ends up as being, there is no further need from the EU to keep the UK happy regarding whatever happens in Scotland subsequently to Article 50. You're all still stuck in 2014 with this issue.

CLAPTON

Herzlos wrote: »

It was meant to be a Scottish Pound, linked to GBP, or as part of a currency union with the UK. It was in the white paper published nearly 3 years ago.

thirty years and no actual commitment that can be full filled.

so what is the actual plan for which currency they will use and has the 'plan' been agree with the UK government

We know approximately nothing more than we did before Brexit, except that all of the claims were false, and there's definitely not going to be a points based immigration system.
We've also moved to the back of the queue with all of our big trading partners, so if anything we've gone backwards.

So what progress have we made? What is actually happening?

Here's a basic summary of the SNP's plan to Independence, all the way down to retaining the rights to broadcast Eastenders:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scotland%27s_Future#Overview

Does the Brexit camp have anything close to being comparable?

The brexit plan is to continue to own the BBC in the rUK and charge iscotland copyright under international law.

and why is NIcola still building a plan to justify a new referendum : thirty years and counting and yet she needs more time :

we are truely lucky we don't have the SNP developing brexit.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

The brexit plan is to continue to own the BBC in the rUK and charge iscotland copyright under international law.

and why is NIcola still building a plan to justify a new referendum : thirty years and counting and yet she needs more time :

we are truely lucky we don't have the SNP developing brexit.

Goodness me Clapton surely you don't expect Sturgeon to provide any sort of 'running commentary' ( copyright Theresa May 7/9/2016 ).

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's your own desperation for Scotland to be kept out of the EU just because 'reasons' that's showing, not the other way round I'm afraid. rUK is leaving full EU membership and whatever that ends up as being, there is no further need from the EU to keep the UK happy regarding whatever happens in Scotland subsequently to Article 50. You're all still stuck in 2014 with this issue.

Your fatal flaw of imagining Scotland is a sovereign state when it isnt, writ large again.
I don't think historical quotes from infamous 'Brit Basher' Verhofstadt before his appointment today is particularly relevant, but carry on grasping at those straws Shakey.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

Your fatal flaw of imagining Scotland is a sovereign state when it isnt, writ large again.
I don't think historical quotes from infamous 'Brit Basher' Verhofstadt before his appointment today is particularly relevant, but carry on grasping at those straws Shakey.

There's no fatal flaw. A Yes vote would mean Scotland would be a sovereign state, that's what a referendum is for.

Whatever the reasons for appointing Verhofstadt it's flicking a bit of a V sign Westminsters way and Farage is apoplectic.

Farage told EurActiv.com, “I can’t think of a man more insulting towards the British, our standing in the world, or even the concept of nation state democracy."

Verhofstadt’s appointment, alongside the Commission’s choice of Michel Barnier as its Brexit point man, shows that two of the EU institutions are taking a tough stance towards the Brits. Barnier was infamously described as the “Scourge of the City of London” by the British media when he was Internal Market Commissioner.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/news/farage-slams-insulting-choice-of-verhofstadt-as-brexit-boss/

Of course his appointment is significant.

Nick Eardley ‏@nickeardleybbc 41m41 minutes ago
SNP's @AlynSmithMEP on @GuyVerhofstadt's role: "Guy's appointment is good news.... I have every confidence all the doors we need are open."

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Goodness me Clapton surely you don't expect Sturgeon to provide any sort of 'running commentary' ( copyright Theresa May 7/9/2016 ).

I won't expect to see the details until they decided the preferred option or until a range of detailed options have been constructed.
In the case of brexit the process has only been ongoing for a couple of months as the Uk government was previously a 'remain' government.
I am confident the details will be released as soon as possible.

I've no idea why the SNP government in scotland hasn't got a plan : 30 years in the building and 2 years since the last referendum; but one can speculate that they don't want the truth known to scottish voters.

What about the currency question
what about scottish bank lender of last resort
who will set scotland bank interest rates
who will decide scottish government lending

all still a mystery

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

There's no fatal flaw. A Yes vote would mean Scotland would be a sovereign state, that's what a referendum is for.

Lol!
What referendum?

Rinoa

Shakethedisease wrote: »

SNP's @AlynSmithMEP on @GuyVerhofstadt's role: "Guy's appointment is good news.... I have every confidence all the doors we need are open."

Yes, a tough negotiator means it's less likely we'll stay in the single market. So, for all Sturgeon's histrionics, it's obvious the SNP wants us out of the single market, thus giving her the excuse to call the 2nd referendum.

A_Medium_Size_Jock

Originally Posted by Shakethedisease
It's your own desperation for Scotland to be kept out of the EU just because 'reasons' that's showing, not the other way round I'm afraid. rUK is leaving full EU membership and whatever that ends up as being, there is no further need from the EU to keep the UK happy regarding whatever happens in Scotland subsequently to Article 50. You're all still stuck in 2014 with this issue.

Tromking wrote: »

Your fatal flaw of imagining Scotland is a sovereign state when it isnt, writ large again.
I don't think historical quotes from infamous 'Brit Basher' Verhofstadt before his appointment today is particularly relevant, but carry on grasping at those straws Shakey.

Indeed so, Tromking.
In fact, it seems that my original thought of iScotland supporters as being "desperate" or "deluded" is too mild for some; certifiable may in fact be more appropriate.

Leanne1812

Rinoa wrote: »

Yes, a tough negotiator means it's less likely we'll stay in the single market. So, for all Sturgeon's histrionics, it's obvious the SNP wants us out of the single market, thus giving her the excuse to call the 2nd referendum.

Lol.......It almost seems like you want to blame Sturgeon if there is no single market access. Well, blame the brexiteers. They and only they hold responsibility for this.

Possibly Nicola will rejoice, can you blame her if it helps to fulfill her lifelong ambition to see Scotland as an independent nation?