The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

islandannie

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Don't talk crap.



They set the agenda peddling messages that seep into everyday narratives. Poison. I may be someone who thinks that Scotland would be better run from Holyrood ( and that incidentally covers any party in charge in future not just the SNP, as they'll all have the be Scotland centric ). But Jeezo you English are spoon fed the biggest diet of nastiness going daily. Then you end up quoting the darn things as fact too.

Scottish media is there to much the same degree, but forced to concentrate far more deeply other than the Ruth Davidson - FAB, Sturgeon - wee jimmy krankie levels that the English media are at currently with added Daily Express CAPS LOCKS !!! to drive home a point.

The reality of being in the media spotlight if they're against you is headlines like the above based on nothing much in the way of facts. The SNP would be well advised to keep the economics to minimum until a ref is called, then build the campaign on it. Otherwise there will be another wall built in headline land.

It must be like a dart in your communist SNP heart to realise how much power England has in the world compared to us.

elantan

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

must be

Who was in it? Maybe available elsewhere?

It was a meeting with Robin McAlpine in Edinburgh from Monday night, will see if I can get it elsewhere ... he just talked a wee bit about the Gers, brexit and independence ... I like the fact he is justifyably critical of the SNP but also able to see the whole picture, his background is political strategy

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Don't talk crap.



They set the agenda peddling messages that seep into everyday narratives. Poison. I may be someone who thinks that Scotland would be better run from Holyrood ( and that incidentally covers any party in charge in future not just the SNP, as they'll all have the be Scotland centric ). But Jeezo you English are spoon fed the biggest diet of nastiness going daily. Then you end up quoting the darn things as fact too.

Scottish media is there to much the same degree, but forced to concentrate far more deeply other than the Ruth Davidson - FAB, Sturgeon - wee jimmy krankie levels that the English media are at currently with added Daily Express CAPS LOCKS !!! to drive home a point.

The reality of being in the media spotlight if they're against you is headlines like the above based on nothing much in the way of facts. The SNP would be well advised to keep the economics to minimum until a ref is called, then build the campaign on it. Otherwise there will be another wall built in headline land.

To be - as you put it - spoon fed this diet of nastiness, one has to read, or listen to such 'information'.

I find your cover story a convenient set of circumstances and would posit that actually the reason there is no sound economic policy from the SNP regarding independence is because there isn't one.

And that's using similar logic you've used recently when looking for a 'Brexit plan' from David Davis.

David Davis can have a plan and just not tell everyone, and the SNP has an economic plan as you've asserted above. I would say it's actually the opposite and neither have plans, but it most probably isn't following the narrative that you would like to paint of:

Westminster - unable to plan and keep a secret and therefore just plain useless and ridiculous buffoons, Indy2 now!

SNP - canny foxes, with a super-dooper economic plan that's going to make thousands wonder why they never voted Yes the first time, who are keeping quiet as to not give the game away. You've got them bang to rights Nicola, you go girl!!!

And you're on about the media being bias whilst also being bias yourself, I'm pretty sure there's a contradiction in there somewhere.

Conrad

At the last Scots referendum I was happy to see Scotland leave on account of my believing it should be free to follow what I felt was its socialist heart, in particular, redistribution to an unhealthy degree which creates victimhood and life long dependency on an epic scale as a good many people will always gravitate to handouts. A high proportion of folk love to wallow in the dark glamour of having some sort of condition, and where as in a less generous welfare landscape they would make the best of work and life, they default to dependency and enjoy the glamour of having a condition. Amazing so many more of of us as a proportion, managed to work until mass welfare became embedded. Did we suddenly become much more I'll, lol. Welfare culture inculcates poor behaviours and irresponsibility, and is toxic for society.

Lefties have a tendency to over - regulate, a sledge hammer approach, which slowly hampers enterprise and dynamism. Particularly in the area of employment rights.

Selfishly I wanted Scotland to follow this course as I knew it would result in decline and under performance, as this would then at long last kill off so much bankrupt lefty theory once and for all

With hindsight I'm glad Scotland stayed, and now hope the Scots have the sense to put Ruth in charge at the next GE and get back to an enterprise outlook.

beecher2

Conrad wrote: »

With hindsight I'm glad Scotland stayed, and now hope the Scots have the sense to put Ruth in charge at the next GE and get back to an enterprise outlook.

:rotfl:

SNP are on 52%
Tories are on 21%

It isn't going to happen.

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

To be - as you put it - spoon fed this diet of nastiness, one has to read, or listen to such 'information'.

I find your cover story a convenient set of circumstances and would posit that actually the reason there is no sound economic policy from the SNP regarding independence is because there isn't one.

And that's using similar logic you've used recently when looking for a 'Brexit plan' from David Davis.

David Davis can have a plan and just not tell everyone, and the SNP has an economic plan as you've asserted above. I would say it's actually the opposite and neither have plans, but it most probably isn't following the narrative that you would like to paint of:

Westminster - unable to plan and keep a secret and therefore just plain useless and ridiculous buffoons, Indy2 now!

SNP - canny foxes, with a super-dooper economic plan that's going to make thousands wonder why they never voted Yes the first time, who are keeping quiet as to not give the game away. You've got them bang to rights Nicola, you go girl!!!

And you're on about the media being bias whilst also being bias yourself, I'm pretty sure there's a contradiction in there somewhere.

It's called learning from your mistakes Tricky, one of which was to assume at least some semblance of balanced narratives in the national UK media during the last referendum. One of Salmonds big regrets about the whole thing was his naivety and faith in British media fair play.

I didn't say the SNP should present no economic plan. Just that this time round that it would be prudent not to release them until a definite campaign is launched. I'm assuming since Nicola Sturgeon has reiterated several times that she want's to see legislation in place for a second referendum ready and waiting for immediate activation should it become necessary. That the next campaign will be a short one. There will be no long drawn out economic to-ing and fro-ing. I assume that for the next while until Brexit gets underway, that the SNP and other facets of independence groups will spend their time undermining the political case ( there isn't one ) for Scotland staying within the UK first.

Kind of like Angus Robertson on PMQ's today. Theresa didn't have the best of days. It's obvious there's no plan.

CLAPTON

beecher2 wrote: »

:rotfl:

SNP are on 52%
Tories are on 21%

It isn't going to happen.

It can only happen after iscotland

Without the huge English subsidy and the ability to blame all problems on the English there will be major changes : probably take 10 years or more as the english can be blamed long after independence.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It's called learning from your mistakes Tricky, one of which was to assume at least some semblance of balanced narratives in the national UK media during the last referendum. One of Salmonds big regrets about the whole thing was his naivety and faith in British media fair play.

you mean the unfair way he was asked about Iscotland plans for the scotttish currency, scottish government spending, scottish banking lender of last resort etc whilst he only wanted to talk about the ENGLISH NHS

I didn't say the SNP should present no economic plan. Just that this time round that it would be prudent not to release them until a definite campaign is launched. I'm assuming since Nicola Sturgeon has reiterated several times that she want's to see legislation in place for a second referendum ready and waiting for immediate activation should it become necessary. That the next campaign will be a short one. There will be no long drawn out economic to-ing and fro-ing. I assume that for the next while until Brexit gets underway,. that the SNP and other facets of independence groups will spend their time undermining the political case ( there isn't one ) for Scotland staying within the UK first.

scotland has no legal ability to hold a binding referendum without the say so of the UK government

Kind of like Angus Robertson on PMQ's today. Theresa didn't have the best of days today. It's obvious there's no plan.

agreed : after 30 years of moreto prepare, SNP still have no plan for their currency or economy

but its probably best that way.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

you mean the unfair way he was asked about Iscotland plans for the scotttish currency, scottish government spending, scottish banking lender of last resort etc whilst he only wanted to talk about the ENGLISH NHS

All plans were well known and answers provided. Do you think I spent a few years here during the last referendum making up all the articles and papers I posted myself ? They weren't presented to the Scottish electorate and if there was any coverage at all it was negatively presented rather than neutral.

scotland has no legal ability to hold a binding referendum without the say so of the UK government

So it will be advisory like the EU one was.

agreed : after 30 years of more to prepare, SNP still have no plan for their currency or economy, but its probably best that way.

Just as well the Tories are in power this time round and for the forseeable future. That alone will have half of Scotland running screaming to the ballot boxes and putting a cross in the Yes box, along with all those EU nationals who voted No last time in case Farage pops up on the scene again.

May didn't do very well today. She can't really keep this up much longer before some real pressure is on her to provide some answers.

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

All plans were well known and answers provided. Do you think I spent a few years here during the last referendum making up all the articles and papers I posted myself ? They weren't presented to the Scottish electorate and if there was any coverage at all it was negatively presented rather than neutral.
So it will be advisory like the EU one was.
Just as well the Tories are in power this time round and for the forseeable future. That alone will have half of Scotland running screaming to the ballot boxes and putting a cross in the Yes box, along with all those EU nationals who voted No last time in case Farage pops up on the scene again.

May didn't do very well today. She can't really keep this up much longer before some real pressure is on her to provide some answers.

Sorry can't make any sense of your post.

Except to say, that your assesment of May is totally delusional ; a bit like Salmond talking about the English NHS in reply to questions about what currency the Iscotland will use.