The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Was listening to Robin McAlpine today, I'm liking his idea of a new White paper proposal, have always liked the Common Weal

Need to catch up with what Nicola has been saying now... and obviously laugh at how it will be reported no doubt

elantan

http://news.scotland.gov.uk/Speeches-Briefings/First-Minister-Statement-2a35.aspx


Incase anyone wants a read

wotsthat

Just looked at the last Yougov poll and it was 47%:53% in favour of remaining in the union.

I thought it would be higher what with Twitter and everything. If people can't be persuaded to say they'd vote for independence even when there isn't a referendum on the horizon it's going to be tough job to persuade them when they have to put an x in a box.

I'm still sticking with the 2015 GE being the high water mark for the SNP and independence.

Maybe the SNP should hand the independence mantle to the Greens?

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

all so very reasonable

so why aren't the polls showing over 60%?

No idea. It's a riddle wrapped up in a mystery inside an enigma.

Shakethedisease

wotsthat wrote: »

Just looked at the last Yougov poll and it was 47%:53% in favour of remaining in the union.

I thought it would be higher what with Twitter and everything. If people can't be persuaded to say they'd vote for independence even when there isn't a referendum on the horizon it's going to be tough job to persuade them when they have to put an x in a box.

I'm still sticking with the 2015 GE being the high water mark for the SNP and independence.

Maybe the SNP should hand the independence mantle to the Greens?

Far do's. But YouGov polls have stayed at the same level for a while now and they're only one pollster in an array of them. None of which have entirely stellar reputations recently. They're the best we have though. But personally, I'd be wary of extrapolating just one poll companies results as concrete evidence of anything. 47% to 53% with a margin of error of +/- %3. Is still very tight.

As for that horizon. Easier to persuade people to put an X in the box during the heat of any campaign. This one hasn't started yet, just the ducks getting set in a row.

Nicola Sturgeon has confirmed that the Scottish government will start work on a draft #indyref2 bill.

elantan

I am constantly giggling at Radio Scotland, they managed to turn £100m extra for education into a SNP bad story ... they must've been tying themselves in knots on how to achieve it

TrickyTree83

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Have any of you ( aimed more at the pro indy types here ) been following that twitter thread today that popped up regarding GERS ? Hothersall started it with McDougall and it went on from there, still going on but whoever @SpecpartAGLtd is... he's demolishing the GERS figs piece by piece.

Leanne I know you might be interested as it's along Ivan McKee lines. Threads here I think if you can access it.

https://twitter.com/SpecPartAGLtd/status/773075202423025664?lang=en-gb

SpecialistPartnersAG

Meme creators on it already. I don't usually like posting meme's but in essence this is the entire premise of quite a long thread.



Anyhoo, caused a bit of a stir on twitter. Thought others might be interested in reading through. There do seem to be a lot of discrepancies between GERS and the UK Treasury figures somewhere along the way if those figures are correct.

More meme-buster material.

Is this lay interpretation of GERS as believable as the Whiskey Export Duty?

Shakethedisease

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

More meme-buster material.

Is this lay interpretation of GERS as believable as the Whiskey Export Duty?

Read the twitter thread I've provided you with or not. Like I said I don't normally post meme's. That used to be Hamish's thing. However, the guy here brings up some very weird and baffling differences between Treasury documents regarding Scotland's expenditure and GERS.

The 3.85bn accounting adjustments pic was posted by Blair McDougall ( BetterTogether guy ). Certainly raised a few eyebrows which I doubt was his intention. Don't worry though, I'm sure Kevin Hague will be along in a minute to soothe some fevered brows.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Shakethedisease wrote: »

the guy here brings up some very weird and baffling differences between Treasury documents regarding Scotland's expenditure and GERS.

I can see how this would be good Twitter argument fodder for the keyboard warrior crowd - but I'll just keep reverting to the fact that GERS is signed off by Scottish Government Economists - and while some small element of it would always be up for debate the SNP controlled Scottish Government would not be allowing it's own economists to sign off figures that are likely to be vastly incorrect.

The SNP, whose primary aim is Indy and who are responsible for the accuracy of GERS as the party of government, do not even begin to claim GERS is materially wrong...

Now if Nicola Sturgeon wants to run another Indyref and have any hope of winning she needs to explain what if anything is wrong with GERS and what cuts she'd make to the expenditure contained in it.

Until then this is mildly amusing but ultimately pointless.

elantan

Hamish Robin touched on that today, was quite an interesting watch, cant post a link as I got it on my indy live app and wouldnt know how to copy it ... but it is bejng discussed