The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

TrickyTree83

Surely it's the wrong time to start the ball rolling.

You'll be asking people what their views are on independence versus the union when you've no idea what deal the union will have with the EU. So even if the figures for indy are promising, by the time people know what deal the UK will get that might change dramatically.

It's like a version of deal or no deal with peoples lives. You've already got something but you don't know what it is, but the banker is offering you independence and promising you it's better than what you've already got - but no one knows what you've already got.

Crazy.

How can you argue the merits of independence against an unknown?

elantan

Is that like asking the UK public to decide whether to stay in the EU without actually having an idea what life outside the EU would look like?


Crazy situation to put the UK citizens in ... and yet it happened

how can you argue the merits of independence in the Eu against an unknown?

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

Is that like asking the UK public to decide whether to stay in the EU without actually having an idea what life outside the EU would look like?


Crazy situation to put the UK citizens in ... and yet it happened

how can you argue the merits of independence in the Eu against an unknown?

Well for me I was always looking for an EFTA type arrangement.

Lose the political union and keep the trading union.

So there were some clearly identifiable points of what was possible. So I guess you'll be asking people for whom politics and economics is boring as hell to consider all the Brexit alternatives versus independence. I suspect they'll just get confused.

elantan

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

. So I guess you'll be asking people for whom politics and economics is boring as hell to consider all the Brexit alternatives versus independence. I suspect they'll just get confused.

doesnt really answer the question though, and I certainly wont be asking anyone ... but I do agree, discussions, as in every other political discussion with people that dont find politics and economics interesting will be confusing for and boring for them

TrickyTree83

elantan wrote: »

doesnt really answer the question though, and I certainly wont be asking anyone ... but I do agree, discussions, as in every other political discussion with people that dont find politics and economics interesting will be confusing for and boring for them

Well the SNP will be asking people, my mistake.

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Is that like asking the UK public to decide whether to stay in the EU without actually having an idea what life outside the EU would look like?


Crazy situation to put the UK citizens in ... and yet it happened

how can you argue the merits of independence in the Eu against an unknown?

a bit like asking the people of scotland to decide whether to stay part of the UK without actually having an idea what life outside the UK would look like?

crazy situation to argue the merit of Iscotland against an unknown

mrginge

elantan wrote: »

Is that like asking the UK public to decide whether to stay in the EU without actually having an idea what life outside the EU would look like?


Crazy situation to put the UK citizens in ... and yet it happened

how can you argue the merits of independence in the Eu against an unknown?

No it's nothing like that. It's quite simple really if you engage brain.

EU ref:
status quo VS unknown model

STD fantasy Indy ref2:
Unknown model in UK VS Unknown model out of UK

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

Is that like asking the UK public to decide whether to stay in the EU without actually having an idea what life outside the EU would look like?

In all likelihood very little difference. As there's a considerable amount of hot air blowing around with no substance. Particularly the media who appear to be in a paranoid frenzy. Simply to write headlines every day.

nkomp18

This video seems to have gone viral today, the one where Nicola Sturgeon urges all people in Scotland to take "The National Survey"

Video link

And here is the survey link.

I hope all people in Scotland get to answer it, otherwise we'll never really know what is actually going on and we'll be debating based on conjecture and personal beliefs.

Whatever happens, one thing is certain. The engine towards independence has started. At least the debate certainly has started.

Exciting times ahead

nkomp18

CLAPTON wrote: »

a bit like asking the people of scotland to decide whether to stay part of the UK without actually having an idea what life outside the UK would look like?

crazy situation to argue the merit of Iscotland against an unknown

Brexit is same. It was like asking the people to decide whether to stay part of the EU without actually having an idea what life outside the EU would like like.

Crazy situation to argue the merit of the UK against an unknown. And now that it happened you are weathering the unknowns. And guess what, UK breaking apart is one of those many unknowns. You just have to accept it, if it happens, because you voted for it.