The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

dunstonh

SNP tactic is to blame Westminster for everything that is wrong whilst taking credit for everything that is right.

However, with the amount of freedom and decision making that now exists in the Scottish Parliament, that blame game can only work for so long. Sooner or later, the Scottish will realise that it is not Westminster that is the cause of their grief but Holyrood. Once SNP lose their popular position, the chance of independence goes.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

Meanwhile, back in the polls,

Brexit has not boosted the cause of Scottish Independence

Polls eh.

This one is weird, it seems to have only 65% of SNP voters voting for independence, yet a full 25% of them voting No and another 10% on top of that as 'Don't Knows'.

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ihg707zgux/ScottishTrackers_25-Jul-2016_Indy_W.pdf

See for yourself. 35% of SNP voters voting No or Don't Know's ? Not in this lifetime. Still, if it gives you a wee comfort blanket to cling to that's fine by me.

.string.

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

If you all think we're !!!!!phile appeasers then quite frankly you can stick your trade where it doesn't shine. I would absolutely be worried about a backlash against anti English sentiment. It's knocked me for six. I'd rather be poor than facilitate people who hate who I am.

Someone needs to answer for that hate.

That is a difficult one. It's necessary to remember that if the SNP do ever win a referendum, it will be marginal in which case about half of the Scottish population would not deserve to be the subject of any backlash.

I'm not sure there would be a backlash, but there might well be a redefinition of what it means to" Buy British" which would have a similar effect. I normally look for the Union Jack on things I buy, notably groceries, and Scotland would not qualify. So not a boycott, but for sure a change in spending habits.

Shakethedisease

mollycat wrote: »

Offensive, manipulative nonsense; but not entirely unexpected.

Nationalism in general and some nationalists in particular have caused huge wounds in Scotland over the past 3-4 years which will take decades to repair.

It's easy for you to spout this type of defence for the behaviour of some nationalists on an internet forum but I doubt you'd get very far trying it on the streets of Edinburgh, Aberdeen, Inverclyde, (remember those places, voted overwhelmingly to remain in the UK) without getting called out.

Tricky, string, islandannie have ran rings round you in this thread, (which is the best ant-independence advert I've ever seen BTW), but as ever don't let winning the arguement be the crucial factor, eh?

ps I post "periodically" because I've got better things to do than endlessly debate with the "it's all Westminster's fault" brigade.

Have a nice weekend all.

You view the SNP on par with the BNP. That tells me all I need to know. I usually ignore both your and islandannie's posts here, and shall continue with that once again. Have a good weekend.

Thrugelmir

.string. wrote: »

That is a difficult one. It's necessary to remember that if the SNP do ever win a referendum, it will be marginal in which case about half of the Scottish population would not deserve to be the subject of any backlash.

Will never be a referendum with a marginal outcome. As NS won't hold one unless winning is a guaranteed certainty. She can blow her trumpet as loudly as she likes. One thing for independence another to convert peoples political views though.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

That is a difficult one. It's necessary to remember that if the SNP do ever win a referendum, it will be marginal in which case about half of the Scottish population would not deserve to be the subject of any backlash.

I'm not sure there would be a backlash, but there might well be a redefinition of what it means to" Buy British" which would have a similar effect. I normally look for the Union Jack on things I buy, notably groceries, and Scotland would not qualify. So not a boycott, but for sure a change in spending habits.

You'll get on with your day to day life the same as everyone else will. Whether that's with a Brexit, or with a Scottish independence vote. There's no need for any backlashes anywhere.

.string.

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Shakethedisease wrote: »

Polls eh.

This one is weird, it seems to have only 65% of SNP voters voting for independence, yet a full 25% of them voting No and another 10% on top of that as 'Don't Knows'.

http://d25d2506sfb94s.cloudfront.net/cumulus_uploads/document/ihg707zgux/ScottishTrackers_25-Jul-2016_Indy_W.pdf

See for yourself. 35% of SNP voters voting No or Don't Know's ? Not in this lifetime. Still, if it gives you a wee comfort blanket to cling to that's fine by me.

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I was thinking of following up my post on that by wondering out loud if Saturday was the day of the month that our resident Poll addict claimed that Polls were mistaken guesses rather than concrete evidence of the expressed will of the ... Blah Blah Blah.


But I didn't bother
Can't keep a good gal down eh !!!

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Will never be a referendum with a marginal outcome. As NS won't hold one unless winning is a guaranteed certainty. She can blow her trumpet as loudly as she likes. One thing for independence another to convert peoples political views though.

A ( questionable ) starting point of 47% is way better than the last time. The average of the last four polls is 51% and the full realities of Brexit and Theresa May's government are still to be felt. We're all in a bit of limbo land at the moment with it looking like the Tories might try and kick Brexit into the long grass.

Scottish Labour voters and votes will be key. Strugeon knows that too.

Shakethedisease

.string. wrote: »

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:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

I was thinking of following up my post on that by wondering out loud if Saturday was the day of the month that our resident Poll addict claimed that Polls were mistaken guesses rather than concrete evidence of the expressed will of the ... Blah Blah Blah.


But I didn't bother
Can't keep a good gal down eh !!!

Never !!!! :):)

However, I don't think anyone can seriously believe that 35% of SNP voters are either against independence or don't know. There's always been an element of folks that vote for the SNP on domestic issues rather than on on any sort of constitutional basis. But 35% of them.. come on.

I don't think any of us should be relying too heavily on polls at the moment until they get their act together. Both the GE and the Brexit ref were disasters for them. I do like winding you up by posting fab ones for the SNP though, that is true.

beecher2

Interesting how many don't knows there are if we lose access to the single market, especially from labour supporters
https://yougov.co.uk/news/2016/07/30/brexit-fails-boost-support-scottish-independence/

The full results have such a wide age disparity between under 50s and over 50s. Same amount seem to have swapped from Yes to No, as have from No to Yes, if I'm reading it correctly.

Interesting stuff. Fascinating to see how it all plays out.