The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Leanne1812

Rinoa wrote: »

You aren't a country recognised either by the UN or EU. You don't have Scottish passports. You chose to join England of your own volition a long time ago.

You need to accept the status quo or vote to leave.

In your opinion of course

Unless you're psychic you don't know any more than anyone else (including the government) how this is going to pan out for all uk nations.

mwpt

Rinoa wrote: »

You aren't a country recognised either by the UN or EU. You don't have Scottish passports. You chose to join England of your own volition a long time ago.

You need to accept the status quo or vote to leave.

With attitudes like that I'm not surprised that there are so many Scottish nationalists. You with your hatred of the "despicable" EU.

Thrugelmir

mwpt wrote: »

With attitudes like that I'm not surprised that there are so many Scottish nationalists.

There are more registered supporters of Jeremy Corbyn than there are of the SNP.

kabayiri

Leanne1812 wrote: »

You're forgetting the scenario when an existing member votes overwhelmingly to remain yet is forced to leave. Will you deny that Scotland's citizens are currently in the EU?

Unprecedented I believe.

You really think there is no other way except to apply for membership? Absolutely no chance to remain otherwise?

When Scotland held the indy referendum you were presumably happy with the 18 month timeframe for leaving the UK union, and alongside this apply to the EU for membership?

I see no reason, then, why if you have another referendum, the same process can not apply.

I have consistently said it does not bother me whether you stay or not.

I am sure the EU will work a deal to reintroduce an independent Scotland as a member if it fits the collective interest of the EU states...

...but you need to win another referendum first.

CLAPTON

Wild_Rover wrote: »

Well, no, not really. At least I don't think so. What do you mean by "only racist and nationalist significance"? Being in a nation state gives people rights that may or may not exist elsewhere, or be better or worse than similar places elsewhere.

What you say might very well be true in terms of individual "importance", but that doesn't alter the fact that Scotland through its parliament has the right to set its own laws covering many aspects of life including taxation, has its own Education and civil and criminal Legal Systems, and a national "church" (that last one being a pity, IMO, but there we are!)

I'd mention sport too, but as my main interests are football and rugby, I'll stop there .

I'm not aware that Yorkshire, fine place though I'm sure it is, has all these 'national' trappings. You may like them, or not; you may disagree with their extent and even whether or not these aspects should exist if you like, but you can't deny that they exist.

I wouldn't regard living in a defined geographical area called a "country" that has the right to legislate on e.g. drink driving laws, systems of local government and its revenue raising and Income Tax as only having "racist and nationalist significance."

WR

(Edit..... in re-reading my post I realised that it may have given the impression (because it says so!) that the Church of Scotland arises from the Scottish Parliament. It doesn't. I was compiling a straightforward list of Scottish Parliament issues when I remembered the Church and included it in error. Apologies! Is there a "Church of Yorkshire"?)

scotland is NOT a sovereign state:

the 5 m people of scotland should have no more rights than the people of Yorkshire until/unless they become a sovereign state.
If the people of scoland vote to become a sovereign state then so beit, until that time they should have no more rights and no higher subsidies that the good people of Yorkshire.

so as far an brexit is concerned we have one person one vote, no more, no less.

Rinoa

mwpt wrote: »

With attitudes like that I'm not surprised that there are so many Scottish nationalists. You with your hatred of the "despicable" EU.

How's the Luxemburg tax scam going these days.

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CLAPTON wrote: »

scotland is NOT a sovereign state:

the 5 m people of scotland should have no more rights than the people of Yorkshire until/unless they become a sovereign state.
If the people of scoland vote to become a sovereign state then so beit, until that time they should have no more rights and no higher subsidies that the good people of Yorkshire.

so as far an brexit is concerned we have one person one vote, no more, no less.

.... however... they do. The elected representatives of the electorate in Scotland do have the right to pass legislation that is different to that which applies in England (including Yorkshire) and Wales - why does that annoy you so much? Are you against devolution everywhere or just in Scotland?

WR

CLAPTON

Wild_Rover wrote: »

.... however... they do. The elected representatives of the electorate in Scotland do have the right to pass legislation that is different to that which applies in England (including Yorkshire) and Wales - why does that annoy you so much? Are you against devolution everywhere or just in Scotland?

WR

I have no problem about the people of scotlaand having different rules etc that affect the people of scotland only, just as I would have no problem similar situation in Yorkshire.
It would be good if the people of scotland insisted that they receive the same grants etc as the people of Yorkshire but greed is universal.

however in the brexit situation that affects the whole of the UK, it is one person, one vote and no special extra vetos/votes for scotland over and above the people of Yorkshire

I support the freedom for scotland and am disappointed that the people there rejected freedom.

Shakethedisease

CLAPTON wrote: »

I have no problem about the people of scotlaand having different rules etc that affect the people of scotland only, just as I would have no problem similar situation in Yorkshire.
It would be good if the people of scotland insisted that they receive the same grants etc as the people of Yorkshire but greed is universal.

however in the brexit situation that affects the whole of the UK, it is one person, one vote and no special extra vetos/votes for scotland over and above the people of Yorkshire

I support the freedom for scotland and am disappointed that the people there rejected freedom.

What's your problem then ? You want England/Wales to leave the EU, but are also keen to see Scotland leaving the UK. Then at the same time are crapping on about how Scotland should be treated politically just the same as Yorkshire is.

You don't make any sort of sense.

Sturgeon will lay out the red lines today. Best to get these things out and in the open asap. I fail to see what there is to disagree with in any of them ( as a remain voter ). Seem quite sensible to me.

"I am determined that we find or create the options that best preserve the five key interests that depend on our relationship with the EU.

"Our democratic interests - the need to make sure Scotland’s voice is heard and our wishes respected.
"Our economic interests - safeguarding free movement of labour, access to a single market of 500 million people and the funding that our farmers and universities depend on.
"Our interests in social protection - ensuring the continued protection of workers’ and wider human rights.
"Our interest in solidarity - the ability of independent nations to come together for the common good of all our citizens, to tackle crime and terrorism and deal with global challenges like climate change.
"And our interest in having influence - making sure that we don't just have to abide by the rules of the single market but also have a say in shaping them."
Ms Sturgeon will promise to "explore
every avenue and every option" for meeting the five tests.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14639406.Sturgeon_sets_out_her_five_Brexit_demands_for_Scotland/

CLAPTON

Shakethedisease wrote: »

What's your problem then ? You want England/Wales to leave the EU, but are also keen to see Scotland leaving the UK. Then at the same time are crapping on about how Scotland should be treated politically just the same as Yorkshire is.

You don't make any sort of sense.

Sturgeon will lay out the red lines today. Best to get these things out and in the open asap. I fail to see what there is to disagree with in any of them ( as a remain voter ). Seem quite sensible to me.

http://www.heraldscotland.com/news/14639406.Sturgeon_sets_out_her_five_Brexit_demands_for_Scotland/

I have no problem with the people of scotland voting for independence.
however until they do so then there should be one person one vote for all UK matters.

Seems quite simple to me.