The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

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IIUIC voters in Scotland were told that if they voted for independence, Scotland would leave the member state (the UK), and as a direct result would automatically leave the EU.

It's been suggested before, but why don't England and Wales just leave the UK? That way they get what they want - to leave the EU - and leave the continuing member state - Scotland and Northern Ireland - to get what they want - continuing EU membership?

Or do the people of England and Wales only want to leave the EU if Scotland and Northern Ireland leave too? Do they hate the EU more than they love the UK?

WR

elantan

Gen ... you are aware that Scotland is country where as London isn't ... neither is Surrey ? It's like trying to compare Apples with Oranges really ...

CLAPTON

elantan wrote: »

Gen ... you are aware that Scotland is country where as London isn't ... neither is Surrey ? It's like trying to compare Apples with Oranges really ...

A 'country' only has racist and nationalist significance.

The 5 million people in Scotland are no more or less importance than the 5 million people in Yorkshire.

kabayiri

elantan wrote: »

Gen ... you are aware that Scotland is country where as London isn't ... neither is Surrey ? It's like trying to compare Apples with Oranges really ...

When it comes to the EU we should really discuss it in terms of the 28 member states. The country definition you refer to has no basis when it comes to the EU.

Fortunately there is a route for newly created sovereign states to apply for membership.

mollycat

Leanne1812 wrote: »

You weren't here in Scotland pre Indy ref or perhaps you have selective memory. Trust me, the most used phrases were" vote Yes and be excluded from the EU" or " vote No to secure our place in the EU"

Really ??

Sounds a bit like "spin" to me.

I was here and don't remember those as the most used phrases; main discussion was about the economy IIRC.

Which is still the main arguement

Hopefully the determined attempts of a few posters on here to convince the rest of the UK that most Scots want a second referendum will rightly fall on deaf ears.

We don't!

Leanne1812

mollycat wrote: »

Really ??

Sounds a bit like "spin" to me.

I was here and don't remember those as the most used phrases; main discussion was about the economy IIRC.

Which is still the main arguement

Hopefully the determined attempts of a few posters on here to convince the rest of the UK that most Scots want a second referendum will rightly fall on deaf ears.

We don't!

Another case of selective memory......

I think you should correct that to you don't. Or do you speak for Scotland now?

Leanne1812

kabayiri wrote: »

When it comes to the EU we should really discuss it in terms of the 28 member states. The country definition you refer to has no basis when it comes to the EU.

Fortunately there is a route for newly created sovereign states to apply for membership.

You're forgetting the scenario when an existing member votes overwhelmingly to remain yet is forced to leave. Will you deny that Scotland's citizens are currently in the EU?

Unprecedented I believe.

You really think there is no other way except to apply for membership? Absolutely no chance to remain otherwise?

mollycat

Leanne1812 wrote: »

Another case of selective memory......

I think you should correct that to you don't. Or do you speak for Scotland now?

Of course I don't.

But neither do Sturgeon, Salmond, Swinney et al.

Nor do the half dozen or so Indy posters on here.

I'll never convert YES voters, but I will call out postings that just aren't right.

Rinoa

Leanne1812 wrote: »

You're forgetting the scenario when an existing member votes overwhelmingly to remain yet is forced to leave. Will you deny that Scotland's citizens are currently in the EU?

Unprecedented I believe.

You really think there is no other way except to apply for membership? Absolutely no chance to remain otherwise?

You aren't a country recognised either by the UN or EU. You don't have Scottish passports. You chose to join England of your own volition a long time ago.

You need to accept the status quo or vote to leave.

[Deleted User]

CLAPTON wrote: »

A 'country' only has racist and nationalist significance.

The 5 million people in Scotland are no more or less importance than the 5 million people in Yorkshire.

Well, no, not really. At least I don't think so. What do you mean by "only racist and nationalist significance"? Being in a nation state gives people rights that may or may not exist elsewhere, or be better or worse than similar places elsewhere.

What you say might very well be true in terms of individual "importance", but that doesn't alter the fact that Scotland through its parliament has the right to set its own laws covering many aspects of life including taxation, has its own Education and civil and criminal Legal Systems, and a national "church" (that last one being a pity, IMO, but there we are!)

I'd mention sport too, but as my main interests are football and rugby, I'll stop there .

I'm not aware that Yorkshire, fine place though I'm sure it is, has all these 'national' trappings. You may like them, or not; you may disagree with their extent and even whether or not these aspects should exist if you like, but you can't deny that they exist.

I wouldn't regard living in a defined geographical area called a "country" that has the right to legislate on e.g. drink driving laws, systems of local government and its revenue raising and Income Tax as only having "racist and nationalist significance."

WR

(Edit..... in re-reading my post I realised that it may have given the impression (because it says so!) that the Church of Scotland arises from the Scottish Parliament. It doesn't. I was compiling a straightforward list of Scottish Parliament issues when I remembered the Church and included it in error. Apologies! Is there a "Church of Yorkshire"?)