The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

islandannie

"On Skye we had a fair few people from abroad ask us loads of questions about independence as well which was
interesting

Did you ask them how they felt about the former SNP leader Gordon Wilsons attitude to our southern neighbours?

And i quote.

"Attack the English southern cancers if we want to win next year’s referendum"

Once again I am embarrassed to be Scottish.:o

Shakethedisease

Rinoa wrote: »

With the UK voting for Brexit but Scotland voting Remain, the SNP have a golden opportunity to hold another indy referendum.

But Sturgeon is doing everything she can to try and keep Scotland in both the UK and EU rather than going for outright independence.

Is she not sure about Scotland's finances anymore.

No, She's boxing Scottish Labour and the Lib Dems into a corner. They would never accept an indy ref right now. ONLY when Westminster and the EU have completely ruled out any possible deal that would mean Scotland both in the EU and in the UK.. will they finally, finally have to choose a side.

It's tedious and yawn inducing stuff, but necessary. Dugdale is in whining 'but we want both unions mode'. Sturgeon's doing plain old politics. Nothing to do with economics.

Shakethedisease

elantan wrote: »

Oh she is sure ....she just spends far too much time ( IMO) placating no voters ... she's trying the softly softly approach trying not to scare them but take them along for the ride ....

It may work ... it may not ... we will see

No point preaching to the converted ( Yes voters ), she needs conversions, of which there seems to be quite a ripe opportunity for at the moment.

2. Broken promises
The No campaign, dubbed Better Together, made all kinds of claims to persuade Scotland to remain in the UK – including a particularly prominent claim that it was the only way to keep Scotland in the EU. That turned out to be as true as anything Brexiteers wrote on a bus. The campaign also promised to protect renewable energy (nope!) and carbon capture programmes (nope!), protect pensions (nope!), give Scotland major new powers (nope!), protect jobs in HMRC (nope!), ensure Scottish shipyards got orders for 13 frigates (nope!) and prevent tax cuts for businesses (nope!). Many No voters claim they would now switch sides if there were another indyref tomorrow.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/10-reasons-scots-are-talking-about-independence-again-6018444/

And that's only No2 on the list of 10.

Generali

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No point preaching to the converted ( Yes voters ), she needs conversions, of which there seems to be quite a ripe opportunity for at the moment.

http://metro.co.uk/2016/07/23/10-reasons-scots-are-talking-about-independence-again-6018444/

And that's only No2 on the list of 10.

You're obsessed with a lie. Everyone knew that the EU Referendum was promised. The point about the EU in the Scottish referendum was that the EU was unlikely to accept a newly independent Scotland on sweetheart terms and possibly even at all because Catalunya. That remains the case regardless of the status of Ms Sturgeon's toys vis-a-vis her pram.

zagubov

Everybody makes mistakes.

More than half the Scottish electorate in 2014 clearly thought at least nearly half the rUK would vote remain in 2016 (insert alternative EU vote date here).

Somebody's got to fix the mistake. Who can they trust to do it?

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

Everybody makes mistakes.

More than half the Scottish electorate in 2014 clearly thought at least nearly half the rUK would vote remain in 2016 (insert alternative EU vote date here).

Somebody's got to fix the mistake. Who can they trust to do it?

What mistake? The majority wanted out so out it is.

I think that it's a ridiculous idea, almost as stupid as Scotland voting to leave the UK, but the majority bought it and you're going to have to live with the consequences.

zagubov

My area didn't. Can't do much about it as it never was historically a country in a union.

Mistakes aren't evil, but refusing to fix them may be. Scotland has an option my area doesn't. If Westminster can't fix it, it needs to step aside, and allow the relevant parliament expand its powers to cover sufficient policy areas to deal with the situation.

This is either a voluntary union or it's no union at all.

Generali

zagubov wrote: »

This is either a voluntary union or it's no union at all.

That's perfectly true and as a result you can't have a steady stream of votes until you get one which gives an answer that you prefer.

Before the vote, both sides agreed that this was a once in a generation or lifetime event and nothing since then has changed that. If Yes had won then there shouldn't have been a second referendum nor would you have supported one. That the side you don't support won doesn't change that.

There should be no vote on Scottish independence this side of 2050.

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Generali wrote: »

There should be no vote on Scottish independence this side of 2050.

I disagree.

If the UK is mad enough to leave the EU we want nothing to do with it.

And short term pain be damned.

Generali

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

I disagree.

If the UK is mad enough to leave the EU we want nothing to do with it.

And short term pain be damned.

By voting to remain in the UK Scotland voted to be a part of the democratic decisions made by the wider UK. That you, and I, disagree profoundly with one of those decisions is neither here nor there.