The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

baldelectrician

Tromking wrote: »

You only get to wobble on about a Scotland only mandate to govern, when you vote for independence and leave the Union. Until then its an irrelevant argument. Get enough Scots to agree with you on independence and then come back to us.

So, you agree the Scottish Parliament should have a referendum to allow Scots to decide on their future.

Arklight

There is a rising tide towards Indy. Barnier has confirmed a sunshine policy towards Scottish accession.

Little Englanders quake at the idea of their little England getting even smaller. But doughty Scots look to the future and the globe.

elantan

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

Jeez the answer is still NO, you have 45% of the vote as a single issue party.

I wouldn't be too cocky if I were you as the chances of the SNP splitting before the Election is growing everyday. Just wait until Nicola is in the court in March/April answering questions about what she knew about Salmond's peccadillos.

How good will the SNP look then if they are split down the middle or even worse shattered in to more wee factions?

Of course you will say that the SNP will hang together, maybe they will but I wouldn't be betting the house on it if I were you.

ahhh you've made the rookie mistake ... not every snp voter wants indy and not every tory labour or libdem are against it ... you also forgot the 16 and 17 year olds and the Europeans ... Rookie error

The_Rainmaker

elantan wrote: »

ahhh you've made the rookie mistake ... not every snp voter wants indy and not every tory labour or libdem are against it ... you also forgot the 16 and 17 year olds and the Europeans ... Rookie error

Really.

You still can not show a mandate.

16-17 year olds bought by your flawed nationalist curriculum for excellence, that is failing our children.

baldelectrician

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

Really.

You still can not show a mandate.

16-17 year olds bought by your flawed nationalist curriculum for excellence, that is failing our children.

Here's a chart to make clear the SNP and the Tory mandate in Scotland

Herzlos

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

How good will the SNP look then if they are split down the middle or even worse shattered in to more wee factions?

Here's the thing. No-one cares about the SNP. We care about independence.
If the SNP splits (and it will, at some point), it'll be replaced by some other pro-independence parties which will have a similar vote share. If the hold out until we're independent then it'll split into some non independence related groups, more akin to Labour, Greens etc.


Sturgeon can go down in flames, but the independence movement will keep going. Salmond has already done so and the Unionists / English seem keen to keep bringing him up to try and tar the SNP.


If Salmond is found guilty, then it has no bearing on the SNP or independence.


This is so much bigger than a single political party.

abz88

baldelectrician wrote: »

Here's a chart to make clear the SNP and the Tory mandate in Scotland

So is your argument that neither have a mandate as both fall short of 50%? Or that the SNP have more of a mandate for Indy than the Tories have for Brexit (which isn't correct when you add in the Brexit Party, DUP, Yorkshire Party and UKIP that were all in favour our Brexit)?

Shakethedisease

abz88 wrote: »

So is your argument that neither have a mandate as both fall short of 50%? Or that the SNP have more of a mandate for Indy than the Tories have for Brexit (which isn't correct when you add in the Brexit Party, DUP, Yorkshire Party and UKIP that were all in favour our Brexit)?

Since when is 50% of the vote share a mandate for any party in elections to carry out policies ? Do tell. Also latest poling has them on over 50% of the vote in Holyrood. Would that be mandate enough for you ?

Ps The real reason for this ridiculous mandate redefining has a simplr phrase summing it up. Irs called 'moving the goalposts'.

The_Rainmaker

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ps The real reason for this ridiculous mandate redefining has a simplr phrase summing it up. Irs called 'moving the goalposts'.

You mean a bit like when the SNP moved the goal posts to add subsections of the community that they deemed would vote favourably for their cause?

Like 16-17 year olds and foreigners?

abz88

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Since when is 50% of the vote share a mandate for any party in elections to carry out policies ? Do tell. Also latest poling has them on over 50% of the vote in Holyrood. Would that be mandate enough for you ?

Ps The real reason for this ridiculous mandate redefining has a simplr phrase summing it up. Irs called 'moving the goalposts'.

It was the mandate leave parties had when they called for the Brexit vote.
I have already said if the Indy parties take in over 50% of the vote in Holyrood that would represent a similar mandate for an Indy vote that was present for a Brexit vote. But it needs to be votes and not just polls, and it appears that is the current route the SNP are going to try and take after Sturgeons speech.