The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

You mean a bit like when the SNP moved the goal posts to add subsections of the community that they deemed would vote favourably for their cause?

Like 16-17 year olds and foreigners?

In 2014 ? Eu nationals overwhelmingly voted no. The SNP didn't do themselves any favours including them. But it was/is the right thing to do so that's how it is.

They'll vote Yes next time.

Shakethedisease

abz88 wrote: »

It was the mandate leave parties had when they called for the Brexit vote.
I have already said if the Indy parties take in over 50% of the vote in Holyrood that would represent a similar mandate for an Indy vote that was present for a Brexit vote. But it needs to be votes and not just polls, and it appears that is the current route the SNP are going to try and take after Sturgeons speech.

So a different mandate than the one required in 2011 = 'moving the goalposts' like I said. And it doesn't matter even if the SNP/Greens and other indy parties get over 50%, or even just the SNP.. the mandate will simply be ignored. I think we all know that.

Whether the Scottish electorate will accept that refusal is another matter altogether.

4/2/20

In last month's general election, the SNP won 48 of the 59 Scottish seats in the House of Commons. Do you believe this result gives the SNP a mandate from the Scottish people to hold a second independence referendum?

Yes 53%
No 47% ( ex dk's)

When Scotland voted against independence in the 2014 referendum, it was not known that Britain would leave the EU a few years later. Do you think Brexit is a big enough change of circumstances to justify holding a second independence referendum?

Yes 56%
No 44% (ex dk's)

http://scotgoespop.blogspot.com/2020/02/scot-goes-pop-panelbase-poll-by.html

loadsacash

[QUOTE They'll vote Yes next time.[/QUOTE]

Not necessarily!

I work with a Polish lady who has just, along with her family just spent £6,000 on getting a UK passport. I dont think that she will be waning to give that up so easily!

The_Rainmaker

Shakethedisease wrote: »

But it was/is the right thing to do so that's how it is.

No it isn't. If people want to vote they should be citizens of the UK.

Now EU nationals are like any other foreigners with perhaps a little more in the right to remain.

British Nationals have just lost the right to vote in French regional and local elections.

paparossco

https://www.politico.eu/article/spain-and-uk-strike-reciprocal-brexit-deal-on-voting-rights/

Herzlos

loadsacash wrote: »

They'll vote Yes next time.

Bit necessarily!

I work with a Polish lady who has just, along with her family just spent £6,000 on getting a UK passport. I dont think that she will be waning to give that up so easily!

Even if she could turn it into a Scottish Passport that'd give her freedom of movement across the EU28?

Moe_The_Bartender

Herzlos wrote: »

Even if she could turn it into a Scottish Passport that'd give her freedom of movement across the EU28?

Presumably she also has a Polish passport so has FoM already.

abz88

Shakethedisease wrote: »

So a different mandate than the one required in 2011 = 'moving the goalposts' like I said.

Given its the second proposed Indy vote in a short space of time and they lost the first vote, yes, they are being asked to show they have a greater mandate than last time round which is fair enough given the costs involved in running a referendum and the divisions it caused last time round. "even if the [STRIKE]SNP/Greens and other indy[/STRIKE] Pro-Union parties get over 50%, [STRIKE]or even just the SNP.[/STRIKE]. the mandate will simply be ignored. I think we all know that."

loadsacash

Herzlos wrote: »

Even if she could turn it into a Scottish Passport that'd give her freedom of movement across the EU28?

She has that anyway with a "Right to Remain"

She obviously feels that having a British Passport is worth the money

baldelectrician

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

You mean a bit like when the SNP moved the goal posts to add subsections of the community that they deemed would vote favourably for their cause?

Like 16-17 year olds and foreigners?

By omission you seem to forget that giving 16-17 year olds the vote is also Labour, Green and Lib Dem policy.

Are they moving the goal posts to help the SNP as well?