The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mayonnaise

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

The upcoming fisheries bill is going to state that EU countries can no longer have access to UK waters. I wonder if the SNP will side with the EU against their own coastal communities? So far they've voted against every bit of Brexit legislation. I bet they will nit pick and find an excuse to oppose this. It won't look good. Especially as Scotland have got 65% of the UK fishing industry. Nightmare for the SNP.

I suspect the SNP will side with the EU and the Scottish fishing industry by making the case for tariff free access to the EU market.

About three-quarters of Scotland’s 2,000 active fishing vessels fish primarily in inshore waters, defined as up to 12 nautical miles from the coast.

Smaller fishermen and seafood companies say they could be wiped out if a post-Brexit deal brings tariffs or border checks for exports to vital markets in France, Spain and Italy

“We haven’t got the fishing opportunities to gain out of Brexit. We’ve got a hell of a lot more to lose,”

https://www.ft.com/content/4ffe9624-2951-11e9-a5ab-ff8ef2b976c7

paparossco

‘In 2016 fishing generated £296 million GVA: accounting for 0.2 % of the overall Scottish economy, and eight per cent of the marine economy. In terms of employment, fishing provided employment for a headcount of 4,800 people, contributing 0.2 % to total Scottish employment, and 6 % of the marine economy employment.’ https://www.gov.scot/publications/scotlands-marine-economic-statistics/pages/6/

‘Scotland farmers supply a Scottish Food and Drink sector which generates over £15 billion.
Scottish livestock farmers supply a red meat sector which is worth £850 million.
Cereal production in Scotland is worth £334 million, and supplies a Scotch Whisky industry worth over £3.8 billion.
There are over 950 dairy farms in Scotland producing over 1.7 billion litres of milk, worth £364 million, which are used to produce butter, cheese, milk, yoghurt and more.
Potato and vegetable production in Scotland is estimated to be worth over £280 million.
Soft fruit production in Scotland is estimated to be worth more than £128 million.
Scottish agriculture directly employs over 63,000 people. Since many farms are small and medium sized family enterprises one quarter of regular farming staff are family members.
The food and drink manufacturing sector in Scotland employs more than 39,000 people and the sector indirectly supports over 300,000 jobs.’ https://www.nfus.org.uk/farming-facts/farming-and-the-food-supply-chain.aspx

Fishing is important but is dwarfed by agriculture.

The_Rainmaker

paparossco wrote: »

Fishing is important but is dwarfed by agriculture.

It's the small things in life that really tic you off though.

So fishing may not be the biggest but the people of the UK are more interested in doing what is right rather than selling off part of our sovereignty for a few trade beads.

baldelectrician

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

The upcoming fisheries bill is going to state that EU countries can no longer have access to UK waters. I wonder if the SNP will side with the EU against their own coastal communities? So far they've voted against every bit of Brexit legislation. I bet they will nit pick and find an excuse to oppose this. It won't look good. Especially as Scotland have got 65% of the UK fishing industry. Nightmare for the SNP.

The Westminster government sold out the fishing industry last time, so forgive me if I don't share your faith

60% of the fish landed by UK fishermen/women go to the EU so if the EU tie a fishing deal to fishing trade they will have fish with nowhere to go.

When Scotland is independent we will be in the CFP but the CFP and the fishing industry will be a higher priority (rather then 'expendable' as Westminster put it in the 1970's)

That way things will be better for the fishing industry in Scotland AND we can sell the fish we catch to the EU with no problems

Herzlos

Maybe we can even put an MEP of the fisheries commission that'll actually turn up!

scottiescott

mollycat wrote: »

No, no....easy does it

Share your amusement/incredulity of the coverage, "Vigils across Scotland", supposedly contrasting the "celebrations" from Parliament Square.

Yes, Scotland did vote Remain, (I was one of them), but over a million voted to leave, and far less people voted than in 2014 when the outcome was much more crucial.

So where I will disagree with you on the rights and wrongs of the historical Leave vote in 2016; I agree with you that the BBC narrative that the whole of Scotland is crying its eyes out over Brexit is out of proportion to the reality.

Of course the "outrage" over Brexit is simply an excuse for the Nats to keep the clapped out Independence wagon on the road; a lot of them hate Brussels almost as much as they hate WH, (IMHO).

Glad to put your mind at ease.

Delighted of Dundee.

Totally agree with you mollycat.
Our English friends need to know the reality. Scotland is not being "dragged out of the EU against its will" and the SNP do not have a "stonking mandate" to demand a second Indyref after the recent general election. Again, the SNP (pro-EU) gained 45% of the vote but leave supporting parties gained 55%.
In 2016 Scotland's FM declared that if a majority of Scots voted to leave the EU, she would push for a second Indyref (which nobody wanted), hence the majority remain vote in Scotland. Many, many people that I know voted remain only to alleviate the threat of Indyref2 and the huge conflict it created first time around.

baldelectrician

scottiescott wrote: »

Totally agree with you mollycat.
Our English friends need to know the reality. Scotland is not being "dragged out of the EU against its will" and the SNP do not have a "stonking mandate" to demand a second Indyref after the recent general election. Again, the SNP (pro-EU) gained 45% of the vote but leave supporting parties gained 55%.
In 2016 Scotland's FM declared that if a majority of Scots voted to leave the EU, she would push for a second Indyref (which nobody wanted), hence the majority remain vote in Scotland. Many, many people that I know voted remain only to alleviate the threat of Indyref2 and the huge conflict it created first time around.

Here's a chart to make clear the SNP and the Tory mandate in Scotland


So by the math of scottiescott you must agree that the UK government elected with Boris as PM is has no mandate.

The SNP lead over the tories was over 20% - still not enough mandate?

Glad that's sorted

baldelectrician

Scottish Indepence polls- I'm sure most in the forum must have heard as it was all over the news (it wasn't)

Poll #1
YouGov
https://yougov.co.uk/topics/politics/articles-reports/2020/01/30/scottish-independence-yes-leads-remainers-increasi

Poll #2
Herald
https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/18208221.poll-puts-scottish-independence-support-highest-nearly-four-years/

Poll #3
Times
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/second-poll-shows-rising-support-for-independence-fr5dwn0d5

Tromking

baldelectrician wrote: »

Here's a chart to make clear the SNP and the Tory mandate in Scotland


So by the math of scottiescott you must agree that the UK government elected with Boris as PM is has no mandate.

The SNP lead over the tories was over 20% - still not enough mandate?

Glad that's sorted

You only get to wobble on about a Scotland only mandate to govern, when you vote for independence and leave the Union. Until then its an irrelevant argument. Get enough Scots to agree with you on independence and then come back to us.

The_Rainmaker

baldelectrician wrote: »

- still not enough mandate?

Jeez the answer is still NO, you have 45% of the vote as a single issue party.

I wouldn't be too cocky if I were you as the chances of the SNP splitting before the Election is growing everyday. Just wait until Nicola is in the court in March/April answering questions about what she knew about Salmond's peccadillos.

How good will the SNP look then if they are split down the middle or even worse shattered in to more wee factions?

Of course you will say that the SNP will hang together, maybe they will but I wouldn't be betting the house on it if I were you.