The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Moe_The_Bartender

The SNP have a real problem which doesn't seem to get mentioned. They've ignored the results of two referendums. If they scrape a win how can they expect the losers to accept the result? In 2014 only 4 out of 32 regions voted 'Yes'. The only two where there was a significant majority were Glasgow and Dundee. So we are likely to have most of Scotland geographically speaking being "dragged out of the UK against its will" mainly by Glasgow and Dundee. How will they deal with that?

Thrugelmir

baldelectrician wrote: »

The soft start is on the way. Business for Scotland have crunched the numbers and made stuff- interesting facts and figures

Little substance. Given "Scotland" doesn't own the assets. GDP is purely polticians waffle.

Herzlos

kangoora wrote: »

Have you talked to the average 16-17 year old?

Have you talked to the average 60 year old?

I know a 40 year old who votes based on his football club.

Herzlos

mollycat wrote: »

So pretty much can take what they get then, left to the electoral mercy of someone who may not even have left school yet?

So are pretty much immune from most of the consequences.

Arklight

Sturgeon is playing a long game. She knows that doughty Scots will wait to see how Brexit pans out. She will hold her cards close to her chest, then make her move to Scotland's maximum advantage.

She is no frothing demogogue hammering out her missives on battered Amigas in Wiltshire tearooms. She is a stateslady and will not be hurried.

LHW99

Herzlos wrote: »

Someone 70 has likely already retired and in their last house. They'll have a locked pension.
Someone who is 16 still has 80+ years left and all that to worry about.



https://lmgtfy.com/?q=over+65+fake+news

Thank you for that Hertzlos
I do know (from Google - wow) that over 65's spread the most fake news - does that really mean they believe it, or could it be they find it so laughable they just have to tell someone.
Although the comments appear to concerna US study on Facebook articles - and I think it was you who mentioned that over 65's didn't use social media much? (Could be someone else, I haven't checked all this thread and the rest). I also see that sharing fake news was fairly rare about 8% of the 49% of participants in the study actually shared fake news. And only a proportion of the total participants fell into the over 65 age group, of whom 11% shared a fake article - I wonder if the results actually reached statistical significance?
And whilst cognitive decline could be reason, digital literacy was also cited as a possibility, and the study didn't reach a conclusion - perhaps because the results didn't have statistical significance
https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/9/18174631/old-people-fake-news-facebook-share-nyu-princeton?fbclid=IwAR1afB5YWn6tZE4CpqLn56VmYBjolygWjhcTZFMJywtUMSjmZCHxr7QZBr0

abz88

Herzlos wrote: »

So are pretty much immune from most of the consequences.

They are not immune from the consequences. Lets assume everything isn't a bed of roses, wild unicorns aren't roaming the highlands, everyone isn't employed and our economy doesn't instantly explode but goes backwards.
As a result of this, to tighten our belt, pensions are slashes, winter fuel allowances are stopped along with bus passes and the cost of living sky rockets. Then the over 65s will be just as screwed as the rest of us!

Why stop there though, anyone that's rich will be alright, so they can't vote. If you have two passports or dual citizenship you can easily leave if it goes belly up so they can't vote.

Where are you proposing to draw the line?

Tromking

Scotland’s deficit to GDP ratio is revised from 7% to 7.2%.
As it requires no more that a 3% deficit to join as a new member state to the EU, it looks like the light the EU Commission left on for Nicola in their downstairs Khazi, is already dimming somewhat.
Any truth in the rumour that some bird called Lesley Dimmoch was sent to Brussels in the week to try and garner EU support for Nicola’s ‘pretendyref’ and was given short shrift by the SNP’s friends in the Commission?

tatartan

Not read much of this thread and I am unlikely to contribute much more as it reads much the same way as any BBC comments section on any big Scottish topic inundated with SNP bad, Scotland too wee, too poor and too stupid posts from people south of the border. Same with the comments section on pretty much any of the UK wide mainstream media. It doesn't bother me too much because thankfully anyone living south of the border won't get a say in any future referendum. That and living up here in Scotland I know that the independence movement is winning the argument.

In 2014 in my immediate family we had 10 voting Yes for independence, 6 no and 1 abstention. Now it's sitting at 14 Yes and 2 No (and one works in westminster) . That alongside the polls and the fact westminster is running scared fills me with great confidence. However complacency is not an option and having only joined once independence march thus far I will be attending much more in the future. The numbers being generated is amazing and It's great to see that the momentum is building. I can see from the inside the the independence movement is just getting started and very much hope that alongside the marches we start knocking on doors. The unionists just don't have the numbers up here to match it.

So to anyone reading this from down south with concerns about the union - you should be. I'd advise you to take the comments sections of UK wide media including this forum with a pinch of salt. If these were to go by you'd be amazed that the first vote was 55% to 45% and not 95% to 5%. Id say that up here there is a now a loud 'SNP bad' element of the population and I won't dismiss them, but that the louder they get the more I feel a wind in the independence movements sails, make no mistake the unionists are getting worried, rumours that Boris is about to announce spending 5 million of your taxpayers pounds to put ads in newspapers, billboards and cinemas up here to try and convince us that the union is good for us speaks volumes, that and the secret poll Westminster commissioned last winter that westminster is now refusing to share the results (even under a FOI request). I wonder why? I also wonder why they refuse to grant us a referendum, I'll tell you why...its because I feel that the yes side is way more than 51% (latest you gov poll) and any vote now would be the end of your union.

One last question...for those who say Scotland is too wee and too poor and too stupid...why beg us to stay?

baldelectrician

I have also noticed a change.

I know a few Tories and one has said he will never vote Tory again as long as Boris is PM, he was also very against indy but will vote yes in indyref 2 as he knows he can vote Tory in an independent Scotland

Another is a director of a local wholesaler and has said much the same.

I have also noticed the high amounts of frothing amongst the ultra unionists