The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

zagubov

Herzlos wrote: »

It should have it's own Parliament and have it's own independence referendum, I'd be 100% behind that.


Westminster was trying to pass a motion that banned non-England MPs from voting on England only Issues, so it's got something similar. Lets also be honest here, the vast bulk of what happens in Westminster is focused around England.

I've voted for a devolved assembly for London, and would do the same for a parliament for England.

But think about this: if an English Independence Party formed and stood for Westminster on a platform of holding an independence referendum, and subsequently won a large majority of English seats, does anyone here seriously think they wouldn't automatically get it?

And doesn't that make it a union that only England can freely vote to leave?

So, what kind of an equal union is that?

Shakethedisease

zagubov wrote: »

I've voted for a devolved assembly for London, and would do the same for a parliament for England.

But think about this: if an English Independence Party formed and stood for Westminster on a platform of holding an independence referendum, and subsequently won a large majority of English seats, does anyone here seriously think they wouldn't automatically get it?

And doesn't that make it a union that only England can freely vote to leave?

So, what kind of an equal union is that?

We already have English MP votes for English Laws. Now Scots voters are being told that it doesn't matter what they vote for, in Holyrood or Westminster, it will be ignored in the UK parliament. So, now we have English MP votes for Scottish laws.

That really isn't sustainable, much as I'm getting bored of the SNP saying the word. But it's not.

zagubov

Can I just alert everybody that the creepiest posts here are the weird ethnic ones where people obsess about people's origins; hey you're born inside/outside Scotland then moved to inside/outside Scotland so your comments don't count.

Not sure this thread's ethnic/birthplace obsession's symmetrical. All right-thinking people would prefer it to be non-existent:whistle:

We don't tolerate that kind of ethnic enquiry here. There are probably plenty of more relevant websites for that in the wider web.

I'm sure they're very welcoming for ethnically-obsessed morons.

This website isn't.

Moe_The_Bartender

zagubov wrote: »

I've voted for a devolved assembly for London, and would do the same for a parliament for England.

But think about this: if an English Independence Party formed and stood for Westminster on a platform of holding an independence referendum, and subsequently won a large majority of English seats, does anyone here seriously think they wouldn't automatically get it?

And doesn't that make it a union that only England can freely vote to leave?

So, what kind of an equal union is that?

And that’s really going to happen, isn’t it?

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

And that’s really going to happen, isn’t it?

The point is that there's nothing to stop it happening, unlike for the other 3 "partners".

Herzlos

zagubov wrote: »

Can I just alert everybody that the creepiest posts here are the weird ethnic ones where people obsess about people's origins; hey you're born inside/outside Scotland then moved to inside/outside Scotland so your comments don't count.

I just take the personal attacks as evidence the poster has run out of actual arguments.

Arklight

zagubov wrote: »

Can I just alert everybody that the creepiest posts here are the weird ethnic ones where people obsess about people's origins; hey you're born inside/outside Scotland then moved to inside/outside Scotland so your comments don't count.

Not sure this thread's ethnic/birthplace obsession's symmetrical. All right-thinking people would prefer it to be non-existent:whistle:

We don't tolerate that kind of ethnic enquiry here. There are probably plenty of more relevant websites for that in the wider web.

I'm sure they're very welcoming for ethnically-obsessed morons.

This website isn't.

This site isn't, but this actual board is a magnet for right wingers to whom ethnic and class identity is their only means of measuring others' worth, and signalling their own.

Moe_The_Bartender

Arklight wrote: »

This site isn't, but this actual board is a magnet for right wingers to whom ethnic and class identity is their only means of measuring others' worth, and signalling their own.

And what’s your excuse as one of a number of extreme lefties magnetised by it?

zagubov

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

And that’s really going to happen, isn’t it?

Who thought the SNP would win so many Westminster seats, again and again?

And don't forget the Tories got into power with a majority of seats outside Scotland, on a manifesto of having a referendum on the UK and Gibraltar getting out of the EU.

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

And what’s your excuse as one of a number of extreme lefties magnetised by it?

Honestly? This sub forum used to be really good for debate, and I was keen to try and understand the other side, as the other forum I was on was very left leaning. The other forum banned politics after Trump made American politics completely toxic. That left me with here, and the level of debate has dropped, wasting my time and hoping that if I engage with righties I'll get some debate leading to better understanding.

I should probably find something more productive to do instead.