The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Don_Two

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

Just stop. It is just obfuscation for the benefit of those down South, you don't fool the majority up here.

Until you can show a majority (at best you may have 45% ie a minority) "The People of Scotland" do not back your claims.

Funnily enough the same people wouldn't accept a majority vote either in Brexit or their indyref.
IMHO they are trying any (dirty) trick they can to get their way & break up the union, even if the majority don't want that.

mayonnaise

Don_Two wrote: »

Funnily enough the same people wouldn't accept a majority vote either in Brexit or their indyref.
IMHO they are trying any (dirty) trick they can to get their way & break up the union, even if the majority don't want that.

You learned quite a lot since you joined last month.

Don_Two

mayonnaise wrote: »

If a Tory vote share of 43.6% is a powerful mandate to 'get Brexit dun', then surely an SNP vote share of 45% is a powerful mandate to 'get indyref2 dun'.:)

Not when 52% voted for Brexit but 55% voted against Scottish independence.

Don_Two

mayonnaise wrote: »

You learned quite a lot since you joined last month.

I have learned a lot in the course of my life so far.
It's a shame that some just are not prepared to learn, isn't it?

fun4everyone

mayonnaise wrote: »

If a Tory vote share of 43.6% is a powerful mandate to 'get Brexit dun', then surely an SNP vote share of 45% is a powerful mandate to 'get indyref2 dun'.:)

Think the mandate for Brexit came from the 52% who voted to Leave.

Sorry to break it to you mayonnaise but sometimes you lose a vote and you have to accept the result. You might not like it, but accept it.

mayonnaise

fun4everyone wrote: »

Think the mandate for Brexit came from the 52% who voted to Leave.

Sorry to break it to you mayonnaise but sometimes you lose a vote and you have to accept the result. You might not like it, but accept it.

I accept our FPTP system has delivered a government with a mandate to get brexit done. Despite the majority of the population voting for parties who either campaigned for a 2nd ref or to stop brexit altogether.
Similarly, unionist types north of the border should now accept there is a clear mandate for indyref2.

fun4everyone

mayonnaise wrote: »

I accept our FPTP system has delivered a government with a mandate to get brexit done. Despite the majority of the population voting for parties who either campaigned for a 2nd ref or to stop brexit altogether.
Similarly, unionist types north of the border should now accept there is a clear mandate for indyref2.

Voting for a party does not mean you agree with all of their policies. I voted for Labour in the last GE and thought their policy on brexit was absolutely atrocious. Despite voting remain in 2016 I wanted to see it happen, and to be done competently.

Herzlos

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

Just stop. It is just obfuscation for the benefit of those down South, you don't fool the majority up here.

Until you can show a majority (at best you may have 45% ie a minority) "The People of Scotland" do not back your claims.

If the people don't want independence, why do they keep voting for a party whose main goal is independence?

What do the people actually want? If only there was some way we could ask them, officially.

kangoora

Herzlos wrote: »

If the people don't want independence, why do they keep voting for a party whose main goal is independence?

What do the people actually want? If only there was some way we could ask them, officially.

Be correct although it doesn't sound as good as spouting about 'the people' as if the whole of Scotland were desperate to leave the union. 'The people' don't want independence as a total populace. Approximately 50% (of whichever poll you happen to currently believe) of 'the people' DO NOT want independence also.

There was a once in a generation vote 5/6 years ago, there seems to be a large part of the scottish electorate who happen to believe 'once in a generation' only applies until 'we contrive some excuse for going back on this promise'. I say contrived because even if Scotland voted heavily to leave it was a UK wide referendum and by agreeing to stay in the union Scotland has to abide by what everyone else in the country votes and not throw their toys out of the pram because they didn't get their own way. By your measure we should get an independent state of London which would be ludicrous.

If it hadn't been Brexit it would have been some other excuse they could/would have picked on (pick one, doesn't really matter):

• nuclear weapons based on the Clyde,
• lack of financial supoort for 'something',
• ignoring the scottish electorate in Westminster e.g. not enough MPs to get their own way,
• we got 48 seats - that must mean we should have another referendum
• BJ defiled Scotland by wearing tartan socks
• some other random excuse

I have absolutely zero confidence, even if a 2nd referendum were to take place and remainers won, that the pro-independence wouldn't contrive some other excuse to ignore another referendum decision and campaign incessantly for another vote on some other contrived excuse.

fun4everyone

kangoora wrote: »

I have absolutely zero confidence, even if a 2nd referendum were to take place and remainers won, that the pro-independence wouldn't contrive some other excuse to ignore another referendum decision and campaign incessantly for another vote on some other contrived excuse.

And they would continue to ignore what their actual day jobs were as they spent all their time bleating and whining about how there should be a re-vote. We would all continue to suffer for it, like we do now with Nicola not running the country and instead using her time to try and get indyref 2.

Great post btw kangoora.