The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

fun4everyone

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Scottish people v's Westminster

That is just rabble rousing. In reality they could hold anything they wanted though when it comes down to it though couldn't they? Also, couldn't they just announce independence like Rhodesia did?

Try it and see how that works out for the SNP. The majority of Scots voted to stay in the United Kingdom, a fact that rabid nationalists seem to want to pretend isn't the truth.

The_Rainmaker

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The Scottish people v's Westminster.

"The People of Scotland"

Again you and the nats seem to think you are speaking for "The People of Scotland" you are NOT, you are talking for a minority of "The People of Scotland" why do you people keeping claiming to talk for the whole country.

When you can show me evidence that you are talking for the majority everything that you do is all smoke and mirrors to fool those down south that your claim has some validity it doesn't.

Herzlos

fun4everyone wrote: »

The majority of Scots voted to stay in the United Kingdom, a fact that rabid nationalists seem to want to pretend isn't the truth.

Sorry, I don't think democracy is static. The "Union" has changed significantly in the last 6 years.

Herzlos

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

When you can show me evidence that you are talking for the majority everything that you do is all smoke and mirrors to fool those down south that your claim has some validity it doesn't.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scottish_Parliament
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Politics_of_Scotland#Current_situation


If the SNP, who have twice as many seats in the Scottish Parliament as the next party, and 48 of 65 Scottish seats in Westminster, doesn't have the authority to speak on behalf of the people of Scotland, who does?


The people will get to decide in a referendum, and if we decide we want to stay in the Union we will do. In fact, a strong "No" vote will kill off the independence movement for a long time. So what's wrong with asking the people since you don't think the SNP have a mandate?

Shakethedisease

Don_Two wrote: »

Then it might be a good idea to stop acting like you think you are.

(Said while snarking at another poster BTW.)

I think we all get that you don't like being proved wrong or having your ideas disagreed with but tough, this is a public forum and not either the SNP Party HQ or an SNP Propaganda tool.
People are quite capable of seeing the flaws in your arguments, even if you don't like that.

In this modern era people resort to Twitter & elsewhere to try and gain traction for ideas that are at odds with the norm, that's why you won't find it elsewhere.
It's not much more than a modern version of Chinese Whispers and it doesn't make the ideas contained there right or even plausible.

As for the "action", come back when it's either failed or been approved and I might pay it a little more attention.
Just "might".
But you carry on with your dreams, we're all entitled to them.
Even the posters you disagree with.

Whatever. I'm don't really care what you think of me or nonsense about how I should 'behave' and what I should 'stop'. I'm here for the topic. On the other hand you've just spent an entire post carping on about me with only a brief mention of the topic. You make my point for me.

The court case I alluded to earlier is starting to be picked up by the mainstream journos and press. So the 'action' has just started. It's quite funny now seeing journos panicing that all their 'must have a section 30 order' repetitons migh be wrong after all. It's NEVER been tested in court.. until now.

A TOP brief has claimed there are “good arguments” for Holyrood having the power to go it alone and legally hold IndyRef2 - despite Boris Johnson’s refusal. Aidan O’Neill QC was hired by pro-independence crowdfunders to give his legal opinion on a potential court action over the PM’s referendum block.

And the lawyer - who helped win the Supreme Court case over the PM's unlawful suspension of parliament - said: “I consider there to be good arguments to the effect that the Scottish Parliament have the power, under the provisions of the Scotland Act 1998 as they currently stand, to legislate for the holding of a referendum on Scottish independence.”

https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/politics/5177764/top-lawyer-indyref-scotland-referendum/

Enjoy ! "The Scottish People Vs The UK Government"

Shakethedisease

.. And the twitter feed of the Daily Record is a sight to behold after they posted this a few hours ago.:rotfl:

SNP MSP Alex Neil calls for Holyrood to hold IndyRef2 without Westminster's consent

https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/politics/senior-snp-msp-alex-neil-21287186

The_Rainmaker

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Enjoy ! "The [STRIKE]Scottish People[/STRIKE] Nats Vs The UK Government"

I've corrected that for you.

And just stop with your "People of Scotland" tripe.


“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

Herzlos

The_Rainmaker wrote: »

I've corrected that for you.

And just stop with your "People of Scotland" tripe.

So how are they not the "People of Scotland"?

We're not claiming that it's literally every person in Scotland, but a large body of them (possibly even a majority, we'd need the referendum to settle it).

The_Rainmaker

Herzlos wrote: »

So how are they not the "People of Scotland"?

We're not claiming that it's literally every person in Scotland, but a large body of them (possibly even a majority, we'd need the referendum to settle it).

Just stop. It is just obfuscation for the benefit of those down South, you don't fool the majority up here.

Until you can show a majority (at best you may have 45% ie a minority) "The People of Scotland" do not back your claims.

mayonnaise

If a Tory vote share of 43.6% is a powerful mandate to 'get Brexit dun', then surely an SNP vote share of 45% is a powerful mandate to 'get indyref2 dun'.:)