The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

fun4everyone

This dude is epic, I salute your dedication sir.

ss55sss

Alex Salmond said once in a generation provided the political landscape doesn't significantly change!

Alistair Darling stated live on a national TV debate that the only sure way Scotland would remain in the EU was to stay in the UK. This was pivotal in the debate.

Scotland had a massive majority wanting to remain in the EU in the UK referendum.

I think the SNP have a legitimate case to ask the question again.

Herzlos

It's amazing how the soundbite is cut short and treated so literally. You'd almost think it fits an agenda.

baldelectrician

fun4everyone wrote: »

Voting for a party does not mean you agree with all of their policies. I voted for Labour in the last GE and thought their policy on brexit was absolutely atrocious. Despite voting remain in 2016 I wanted to see it happen, and to be done competently.

Yes- I agree

About 3 % of SNP voters polled recently do not want independence, about 40% of Labour members polled in Scotland recently are pro independence

Maybe we should have a referendum to sort it out

Shakethedisease

Had a look though that legal opinion yesterday and it all seems pretty logical.
Crux of one of the biggest arguments seems to be that :-

1) Westminster says Holyrood doesn't have the power to call a ref because it will change the Union which is reserved.

2) This stance is based entirely on the assumption of a Yes win ! As such it's a political stance and not a legal one. A no vote obviously wouldn't change the union.

3) The legality of Holyrood calling an indy ref or not cannot be based on the assumption of the result. There's either an absolute right by Holyrood to hold one or there's not, regardless.

4) This needs to be tested in court.

Good stuff. Will be following with interest.

Herzlos

You would have assumed that if Scotland was an equal partner in the Union (quiet at the back!) then it'd Holyrood would have as much right to change the union as Westminster.



I can sort of see the logic though; there wouldn't be much point in having an indy ref if it wasn't possible to implement the result.

Moe_The_Bartender

I wonder if Herzlos has ever noticed that the only member of the Union that doesn't have its own parliament or assembly is England. I suspect that if it did and was able to hold its own independence referendum, the Scots might get their independence in a way that they didn't expect.

Herzlos

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

I wonder if Herzlos has ever noticed that the only member of the Union that doesn't have its own parliament or assembly is England. I suspect that if it did and was able to hold its own independence referendum, the Scots might get their independence in a way that they didn't expect.

It should have it's own Parliament and have it's own independence referendum, I'd be 100% behind that.


Westminster was trying to pass a motion that banned non-England MPs from voting on England only Issues, so it's got something similar. Lets also be honest here, the vast bulk of what happens in Westminster is focused around England.

Fran_Klee

Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »

I wonder if Herzlos has ever noticed that the only member of the Union that doesn't have its own parliament or assembly is England. I suspect that if it did and was able to hold its own independence referendum, the Scots might get their independence in a way that they didn't expect.

That's what they want, independence by any means but the most surprising thing being just who "they" exactly are.
Look at the most vehement pro-independence posters and you'll soon realise that loads of them aren't Scots.
Herzlos isn't British; elantan is English and is quitting the UK soon IIRC - it's almost as if Scots are being "played" just to upset the applecart which is the union.

Herzlos

Fran_Klee wrote: »

Herzlos isn't British

Outrageous! :rotfl:


I've got a British passport, been here for 4 decades thankyouverymuch!