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The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.
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Interesting sectarian element to the Nationalist March yesterday. I’m not sure the spectacle of Irish republican flags flying alongside The Saltire will do much for areas outside of the central belt who would rather view Scottish independence as of the civic variety rather than one that is defined as anti British/English.
There were English and Welsh flags too.E
No mention of the March today; what were you guys down with told about it?
It was on the news here in London for a few seconds, mentioned tens of thousands of marchers IIRC.There is no honour to be had in not knowing a thing that can be known - Danny Baker0 -
It's about time some of the wind was taken out of the SNP's sails; for far too long they've dictated the perception of Scots in the rest of the UK.
If a few of you want to have a wee knees-up in Glasgow & frame it as an independence rally that's surely Scottish news if anything.
Why should the rest of the UK be interested in a few mouthy types stamping their feet when they obviously don't represent how the whole country feels?
When you can get your act together and prove that a majority want independence without lying, without whataboutery and with hard evidence you might (just might after all the recent drivel) find more outside Scotland will listen seriously to you but for now you do not have that.
Well said. Best post on this board for ages!
"a few mouthy types" describes these people to a T. :rotfl:0 -
Interestingly, the Unioniats are trying to claim 10,000 people turned up to March for independence, whilst the press says 80,000 and the number seems to be more like 150,000.
With respect, you obviously have no clue what 150,000 people looks like.
On the footage/photos I,ve seen that's 10,000-20,000 people max.
A tiny % of Glaswegians, never mind Scots.0 -
Is this where you try to discredit the SNP by trying to claim they are all IRA supporters?
Theres a reasonably large Irish population and a lot of them are Republican, which I can understand though I in no way condone any violence and wish it'd get out of football too.
Do you have any evidence that it was prolific in the March? I saw one banner saying "Scotland out of Britain, Britain out of Ireland" but nothing else.
There's usually be some red hand banners from the Unionist side, but since only 30 unionists turned up to the counter protest they didn't have anywhere to hide them.
Interestingly, the Unioniats are trying to claim 10,000 people turned up to March for independence, whilst the press says 80,000 and the number seems to be more like 150,000.
The route to the widespread popularity of Scottish independence was the realisation that the SNP had to abandon its Tartan Tory baggage and paint themselves as Tory hating left leaning progressives in order to garner favour with the millions of Labour voters across Scotland. A clever move obviously, but the tactic perhaps had the unintended consequence of appealing to the not inconsiderable rump of Scots who identity as being from the Irish Catholic tradition and with that comes a deep antipathy to the British State and it’s institutions like the British Army obviously. My point was to suggest that Scottish independence gained off the back of that narrative may not be universally popular across the whole of Scotland. I think I’m right in saying that the only electoral area of Scotland in 2014 to vote in the majority for Independence was Glasgow, where the vote was probably swayed by former Labour voting Scots/Irish Catholics.“Britain- A friend to all, beholden to none”. 🇬🇧0 -
SpiderLegs wrote: »Trom it’s important to consider that Herzlos has absolutely no interest in anything other than remaining in the EU. All this independence guff is just a smokescreen for finding a route to stay as close to the EU as possible.
Plan A (second brexit referendum) was shot down first and plan B ( scottish independence in the next year so, the immediate and unconditional joining of the EU, the mass exodus of business and capital to Edinburgh ) has even less chance of actually happening.
Plan C will be that the UK decides to reapply to the EU in about five years time. I think we all know where that will end up too.
I stand to make a handsome sum from leaving the EU and I'm well enough off to survive comfortably until we rejoin, so in a lot of ways I don't care that much about leaving. Plus I can always sod off back "home".
Doesn't mean I think it's a good idea for everyone else :A0 -
With respect, you obviously have no clue what 150,000 people looks like.
On the footage/photos I,ve seen that's 10,000-20,000 people max.
A tiny % of Glaswegians, never mind Scots.
Numbers are apparently more like 80,000 which looks reasonable enough. I dont think you've got a good grasp of how big a 10,000 crowd is.
Anyway, if you want to use the attendance as a wind vane for appetite towards independence. How do you interpret 10,000 (to humour you) vs 30? Which side was most popular yesterday?0 -
The route to the widespread popularity of Scottish independence was the realisation that the SNP had to abandon its Tartan Tory baggage and paint themselves as Tory hating left leaning progressives in order to garner favour with the millions of Labour voters across Scotland. A clever move obviously, but the tactic perhaps had the unintended consequence of appealing to the not inconsiderable rump of Scots who identity as being from the Irish Catholic tradition and with that comes a deep antipathy to the British State and it’s institutions like the British Army obviously. My point was to suggest that Scottish independence gained off the back of that narrative may not be universally popular across the whole of Scotland. I think I’m right in saying that the only electoral area of Scotland in 2014 to vote in the majority for Independence was Glasgow, where the vote was probably swayed by former Labour voting Scots/Irish Catholics.
Any good catholic should be against the Tories for their views on pretty much everything involving charity, compassion and those worse off. Ditto anyone with a conscience.
The SNP destroyed Labour up here when labour became Red Tories and forgot their roots, where the SNP became a viable opposition. They put a huge amount of time and money into mitigating Tory damage.0 -
Any good catholic should be against the Tories for their views on pretty much everything involving charity, compassion and those worse off. Ditto anyone with a conscience.
The SNP destroyed Labour up here when labour became Red Tories and forgot their roots, where the SNP became a viable opposition. They put a huge amount of time and money into mitigating Tory damage.
You sound completely unhinged.
True colours being shown?
What does the bit I've bolded mean BTW?0 -
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Moe_The_Bartender wrote: »Out of curiosity, where did the money come from?
The Scottish people, on the whole. There's no need to go over the tax appropriation and Barnett formula stuff again.0
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