The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

elantan

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It'll be a very different referendum from last time. It won't be long or drawn out. Nor will it be all happy clappy positive arguments only from the SNP/Yes side. It'll be a relentless attack on Westminster politics and governance. The economics of Brexit will win the rest.

I daresay we'll be seeing Joanna Cherry back in court quite soon.

The snp broadcast deffinatley took its gloves off compared to the previous broadcasts

paparossco

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It'll be a very different referendum from last time. It won't be long or drawn out. Nor will it be all happy clappy positive arguments only from the SNP/Yes side. It'll be a relentless attack on Westminster politics and governance. The economics of Brexit will win the rest

As long as the questions put in 2014 are answered fully. The doubt cast by currency cost the Yes camp votes. On the other hand how much of the ‘vow’ was delivered I wonder?

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It'll be a very different referendum from last time. It won't be long or drawn out. Nor will it be all happy clappy positive arguments only from the SNP/Yes side. It'll be a relentless attack on Westminster politics and governance. The economics of Brexit will win the rest.

Gosh you make it sound so easy. Wonder how long before such an approach starts to unwind. Let's hope that fiscal projections add up this time.

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

but that doesn't answer why you believe the SNP shouldn't vote in any brexit vote

Of course it can. Though may not have any bearing on future events. One assumes that Scotland wishes to have a good relationship with England. An antagonistic approach may backfire at a later date.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Is this where you tell me I should read more?

I was in Albania and North Macedonia a week or so back. Pay a visit. One never stops learning.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm fed up arguing about Scotland and EU membership endlessly going over the same tired old 2014 debate.

I'm sure that people will require reassurance to ensure that they are making an informed decision. Vague promises are no better than Brexit.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Of course it can. Though may not have any bearing on future events. One assumes that Scotland wishes to have a good relationship with England. An antagonistic approach may backfire at a later date.

are you saying that the reason the SNP should never vote in any brexit question is so Scotland can have a good relationship with England at a later date ?

if so, do you realise how stupid that sounds ? you want elected MPs to not vote on something that can profoundly change their constituents lives so that they might have a good relationship down the line ..... how about the Scottish Tories and Labour and Libdems ? do they not matter or is this just more anti SNP griping like the big yin interview you havnt replied to

seriously your mask is slipping

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

It'll be a very different referendum from last time. It won't be long or drawn out. Nor will it be all happy clappy positive arguments only from the SNP/Yes side. It'll be a relentless attack on Westminster politics and governance. The economics of Brexit will win the rest.

I daresay we'll be seeing Joanna Cherry back in court quite soon.

No, it'll be fought on the same ground as last time. The idea that last time round the Yes side did not invoke the anti-Westminster tropes in favour of making the positive case for independence is laughable.
The SNP line as far as I can see is that Brexit will be bad for Scotland so vote for independence which will dwarf the negative economic effects of Brexit. Good luck with that one.

mollycat

Tromking wrote: »

No, it'll be fought on the same ground as last time. The idea that last time round the Yes side did not invoke the anti-Westminster tropes in favour of making the positive case for independence is laughable.
The SNP line as far as I can see is that Brexit will be bad for Scotland so vote for independence which will dwarf the negative economic effects of Brexit. Good luck with that one.

Exactly, no way are the people of Scotland stupid enough to fall for that

Trying to mitigate a bad thing by deciding to do an even more harmful thing will never catch on.....

"Mum, I've cut my finger, what will we do?" "Let's get you up to A&E to get your hand amputeated"

Seriously though, in a country of 6 million there will always be a good few tens of thousands willing to tear down the status quo despite the conequences; no thought for raging austerity, decimated, services, living standards etc, etc.....in the aftermath of any fantasy "independence" these outcomes will be pinned on a different scapegoat.

If the last 3 years have taught us anything it's that referenda on major constitutional change should never happen again.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I was in Albania and North Macedonia a week or so back. Pay a visit. One never stops learning.

What did you learn?