The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

Brexit is likely to compound the unspecified headwinds so you’ll have to get over Brexit taking some of the blame.

I'm merely stating the obvious. Far too easy to lose sight of a much bigger picture that's evolving.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The SNP should abstain in any Brexit vote at Westminster.

Why ? using up letters so I can post

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

I'm merely stating the obvious. Far too easy to lose sight of a much bigger picture that's evolving.

You're heavy on future headwinds and the bigger picture but extremely light on detail.

Maybe it's you that's losing sight of the wood because of the trees in your quest to downplay everything brexit.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

So in Scotland a minority of the population voting for the SNP in a General Election equates to a vote for independence. you couldn't make it up. Politicians are shallow people these days. Undermines Nicola's authority somewhat.

incidentally what was your answer as to what on earth do the SNP have to do with an interview with the big yin ?

Thrugelmir

elantan wrote: »

Why ? using up letters so I can post

The UK could simply bide it's time and wait for Scotland to vote for independence. No harm in seeking an extension and a hard Brexit if neccessary.

Thrugelmir

Sailtheworld wrote: »

You're heavy on future headwinds and the bigger picture but extremely light on detail.

Maybe it's you that's losing sight of the wood because of the trees in your quest to downplay everything brexit.

Guess that comes from years of doing what I do. All of us hold differing views on topics depending on our level of exposure and understanding.

elantan

Thrugelmir wrote: »

The UK could simply bide it's time and wait for Scotland to vote for independence. No harm in seeking an extension and a hard Brexit if neccessary.

but that doesn't answer why you believe the SNP shouldn't vote in any brexit vote

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

An over simplification of a complex situation.
Will the EU allow Scotland to cherry pick it's membership though.

Once Scotland actually votes for independence it's all change. I'm fed up arguing about Scotland and EU membership endlessly going over the same tired old 2014 debate.

Staying with the UK means we're out. The fastest rising numbers of No to Yes voters are almost exclusively from Remain voters in the EU referendum. Voting for independence at least gives a solid chance of getting back in. Staying with the UK means absolutely NO chance of it. Those in Scotland who value a good chance of EU membership will have to vote for independence in order to achieve it. That's it, a choice of which union is most important to them.

If the rumours are true and Boris is indeed intent on leaving NI in the Single Market/Customs union with a border down the Irish Sea. I expect a huge very angry backlash in Scotland. Especially from the business community. Nicola will be absolutely correct about a huge demand for another indy ref if so.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

I caught the SNP finance fella, Mackay on the BBC today. As usual he was heavy on the grievance stuff but somewhat woolly on the post independence Scottish economy plans. It seems after crucifying the Tories on the reality of the EU requiring a hard EU customs border between NI and Ireland, the thought of a similar arrangement having to be in place between an independent EU member Scotland and the rUK is to ridiculous to even think about. As per last time, the referendum if it comes will see big holes in the SNP plans for a post referendum independent Scottish economy.

It'll be a very different referendum from last time. It won't be long or drawn out. Nor will it be all happy clappy positive arguments only from the SNP/Yes side. It'll be a relentless attack on Westminster politics and governance. The economics of Brexit will win the rest.

I daresay we'll be seeing Joanna Cherry back in court quite soon.

Sailtheworld

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Guess that comes from years of doing what I do. All of us hold differing views on topics depending on our level of exposure and understanding.

You haven't specified what these future headwinds are. You haven't specified what your differing views on the unspecified topics are. You haven't specified what it is you do that has helped form these unspecified views so that hardly illuminating.

Just the usual implication that you have a better understanding.

Is this where you tell me I should read more?