The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Sailtheworld

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You're too late I fear. Scots nats dont have deficits.. Scotland the country full of Scots is whats reported on draining the UK of funds. They'll definitely want us to leave very soon.

I see the S. Nats wanting to leave and the E. Nats wanting them to. Don't see why you don't all get along like a house on fire except, of course, you'd all have to get over this us and them mentality which isn't a feature of any nationalist.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

SNP very quiet at the moment apart from the impending by election in Shetland. I dont blame them. Between Boris, GERS and hard Brexits they hardly need do much other than sit back and watch the polling for independence rise.

I'll send more popcorn.

NCC-1701

Shakethedisease wrote: »

52% actually. Suck it up princess. :beer:

To quote you 'polls schmolls'. You are not credible.

NCC-1701

Shakethedisease wrote: »

52% actually. Suck it up princess. :beer:

What idiot started this thread when there was already another on the same topic?

NCC-1701

...with better spelling and grammar?

Hunter_Jaeger

Shakethedisease wrote: »

52% actually. Suck it up princess. :beer:

62.5% for the Unionist parties at the last General Election.

Not some random poll!

Shakethedisease

Sailtheworld wrote: »

I see the S. Nats wanting to leave and the E. Nats wanting them to. Don't see why you don't all get along like a house on fire except, of course, you'd all have to get over this us and them mentality which isn't a feature of any nationalist.

I'll send more popcorn.

We don't get along as parts of the UK politically anymore. Its nothing personal. Simple as that really.

Shakethedisease

Hunter_Jaeger wrote: »

62.5% for the Unionist parties at the last General Election.

Not some random poll!

52% want out of the UK as of a few weeks ago. I don't suppose a no deal Brexit will do much to reverse that particular trend. Not when the meds and food shortages hit. As for GERS no one will give it a second thought in a few weeks time. Not when the UK Govenor is coming out with stuff like this

“(the UK now has the highest FX implied volatility, the highest equity risk premium and lowest real yields of any advanced economy)”

Punchy parenthesis by Governor Mark Carney:

https://t.co/shaB8dzYlz

Dont be worrying so much about Scottish deficits. You'll have your own massive problems. Problems which will have Scots voters begging Sturgeon to hold a ref asap in order to escape from.

antrobus

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

They can USE the euro, but they cannot join the Euro without first having their own stable currency. Any country joining the eu now have to join the euro when they meet the conditions. If they did not adopt their own currency they may well be seen as not even trying.

Well yes, they can't join the Euro until they join the EU. Which obviously will be some years post independence. Firstly, because any hypothetically independent Scotland will need a few years to transition from GBP to SCP, secondly because they will likely need a few more years to issue a pile of SCP denominated debt to repay their GBP debt. And of course they will need to reduce the fiscal deficit from its current level of 7% of GDP ( the highest in the EU), down to something a little more acceptable.

Now I know that certain people don't believe that such numbers are correct, so it's worthwhile noting that Derek Mackay, the Scottish finance secretary,

confirmed that the Gers data, which covers all UK and Scottish government spending in Scotland and a share of pan-UK spending on areas such as defence, overseas aid and debt reduction, was an accurate assessment of the country’s fiscal position last year.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/aug/21/scotland-2018-deficit-higher-than-uk-as-a-whole-last-year

So there we have it, the SNP administration has confirmed that GERS is accurate, and that Scotland has a whacking big fiscal deficit. Nothing more to argue about as far as that is concerned.:)

Enterprise_1701C

mollycat wrote: »

Individuals are not responsible for the behaviour of governments.

I've said this before but it's worth one more go; I have as little influence over what Sturgeon and her followers say/do as you do over what (say) Corbyn or Farage say or do, (delete as applicable).

As a UK citizen I have as valid an interest in what the UK government does as you do, (as much as you obviously would like to have an English government there isn't one).

We aren't 2nd class citizens because we live in an area with an economic deficit; if that were so the majority of the UK would be in the same boat.

Pretty much everyone in the UK is subsidised by the powerhouse that is London/SE.....unless you live there in that part of the country it's not really valid to only focus on the fact that Scotland spends more than it raises; Londoners in theory could have the same gripe with the NE or Wales as you have with Scotland.

That's the point of opposing Nationalism, we're all in it together, rather than dividing the country up on spurious grounds.

Apologies if I've got this wrong but you're starting to come over as someone who hates the Scots in the same way as a large amount of Scottish Nationalists hate the English.

Tromking I disagree.....I dont think there's a blind spot. Most Scots recognise the injustice that is tipped in our favour.
Personally a gradual rebalance is in order; which of course would still leave us far mor prosperous than independence would.

I don't hate Scots in general, it is Sturgeon. She runs the country badly and then blames it on us.

Yes you have a valid interest in what the UK government does, but not when it only applies to England. That is why we have EVEL.

I live in the South East, and there has never been the feeling that we subsidise the rest of the UK, we simply take it as read. And I know that it should not be relevant, but the idea that Scots get so much more per head whilst we have to have austerity to try to rein in the deficit that seems to be caused largely by Sturgeons spending choices is rather hard to swallow.

So yes, there is the general feeling that we are paying a high price for your free prescriptions and uni places etc. And a lot suspect that, if she were ever to gain independence, she would refuse to pay her share of the debt. And no, it is not like the eu, the divorce payment it supposedly to pay for future things to which we agreed, the deficit is Sturgeons mad spending spree.

mollycat

@ Enterprise 1701c...I agree the SNP goverment/Sturgeon are a disgrace and are not to be trusted in any way.

I agree that the use of UK tax reciepts for free buses/prescriptions/uni places is a bribe to voters rather than a more effective way of using that money.

I appreciate that austerity may have bitten harder elsewhere, although remember the mispending of those tax reciepts mean that we too have had less spending on the services that money should have gone too.

Remember too the "bribes" are not for all scots.....bus passes/uni places/free prescriptions are used only by the minority.

I hope you can accept, (and not find this impertinent) that there is a wide appreciation that we do well financially out of the Union and that something needs to change; that change needs to happen within the context of the Union though, the solution isn't seperation.

Any change unfortunately will be jumped upon by Nationalists as further "unfairness", but the aggument can be won in that respect.

I also hope you can accept that the unfairness issues within budget allocation actross the UK are a completely different issue from buying into the divisive narrative that the Nats use to sow discontent....interestingly rather than try to present a positive financial arguement for seperation, they are now openly applauding their succesful cultivation of the "just let them go" feeling in the rUK.

My hope is to remain a citizen of the UK; I have far more in common with fellow liberal minded, democracy respecting persons from all corners of rUK than I do with the minority of small minded "wha's like us" brigade that make a disproportionate noise north of the border.

have a good weekend!