The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Arklight

And for some light relief, let us look at the United Kingdom's most wee newspaper: The National.

It's barnstorming away with, almost, 7000 subscribers and this is the current "exclusive."

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17738190.tesco-cant-decide-which-products-are-scottish-and-which-arent/

EVER since The National started to expose the sharp practice of retailers who sell Scottish produce under a British Union flag, we have been inundated with examples of what we call Union Jackery.

The latest example is almost beyond belief, because supermarket giant Tesco can’t seem to make up its mind about what is Scottish and what is British.

In a home delivery from Tesco Dumfries, National reader Hamish Sellar received a packet of Tesco finest British strawberries adorned with the Union flag. The label added they were grown in “Angus, UK’ by PJ Stirling.

Yet in the same delivery, Sellar received a pack of Tesco supersweet blackberries with a Saltire flag and a label saying: “Grown in Perthshire, Scotland, by Andrew Barrie.”

Sellar said: “There is no consistency to the display of places of origin. Not only are the strawberries labelled with a Union Jack but there is no mention that Angus, first and foremost, is in Scotland and then, only reluctantly, part of the so-called UK – an insult to Angus and to Scotland.”

My God, the oppression. No wonder nearly 7000 proud and true Scots have signed up to this.

The comments are interested as well. It's basically like the forum hpc.com but with Scottish Nationalists rather than people who have been renting for 25 years expecting a financial apocalypse.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

And for some light relief, let us look at the United Kingdom's most wee newspaper: The National.

My God, the oppression. No wonder nearly 7000 proud and true Scots have signed up to this.

The comments are interested as well. It's basically like the forum hpc.com but with Scottish Nationalists rather than people who have been renting for 25 years expecting a financial apocalypse.

Never mind. It seems despite the National's crappiness the messages are filtering though anyway.

Scots back second referendum as they lose faith in Union

Opposition to a second Scottish independence referendum in the near future is melting away, according to a Panelbase poll for The Sunday Times. The number of Scots who think a break-up of the Union will never happen is also falling.

The poll by Panelbase for the Sunday Times shows that that leaves a majority backing the question of independence being put back to Scotland.

https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scots-back-second-referendum-as-they-lose-faith-in-union-qqt7cc3tt

The dominoes are starting to fall fast aren't they ? And unionist narratives are getting shriller and more aggressive by the day as they try to deny simple realities. Stopping a referendum happening when it can be framed as 'Nicola Sturgeon' having a wee grievance is one thing. Stopping a vote from happening when over half of Scotland's electorate want one to happen and quick smart is quite another.

Devolution and Brexit cannot work.

Scotland never lost its national identity in the Union. It retained its kirk, legal system and education independently of Westminster. In the last two decades it has been in the process of restoring its economic and political autonomy, which had been ceded to the UK parliament in the 18th century. Brexit will force this into reverse, or force Scotland out.

I have never advocated an unauthorised (by Westminster) constitutional referendum in Scotland. But the increasingly aggressive unionism of the Conservative leadership is making the situation in Scotland critical. Support for independence has already risen to 49%, and 53% if Boris Johnson is PM.

http://archive.li/BhfjH#selection-2829.1-2829.360

But with the full backing of a clear majority of Scots she will call and hold another vote. We'll be having our choice of Brexit or independence regardless of Westminster/Boris or Jeremy. As one of the two signatories of the Treaty of Union 1707 if Scotland chooses to leave, then she will do so. Scotland is no Catalonia.

Sir John Curtice :- "It would seem that the Brexit impasse has motivated some Remain supporters in recent months to re-evaluate their attitudes towards the Union. If so, then we do not need to rely on the answers to hypothetical polling questions to conclude that the outcome of the Brexit process could potentially change the balance of support for independence versus staying in the Union – and so determine the future of the British state."

http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2019/07/could-brexit-yet-undermine-the-future-of-the-british-state/

Enjoy reading the current cluster of articles I've included above as media and assorted commentary belatedly start panicing about Scotland again after 3 years complacent indifference. I also do not think that Farage and his vaguely sinister Trump like rallies complete with air raid sirens, pyrotechnics and pensioners waving glo sticks is helping matters. Terrifying stuff.. no wonder Scotlands previous No voters are stampeding to the exit door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXk0tChqOUk

mayonnaise

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I also do not think that Farage and his vaguely sinister Trump like rallies complete with air raid sirens, pyrotechnics and pensioners waving glo sticks is helping matters. Terrifying stuff.. no wonder Scotlands previous No voters are stampeding to the exit door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXk0tChqOUk

Geriatric glo-stick waving bigots setting the agenda south of the border.
We are so screwed.
Time to go your own way, Scotland.
Good luck.

Arklight

mayonnaise wrote: »

Geriatric glo-stick waving bigots setting the agenda south of the border.
We are so screwed.
Time to go your own way, Scotland.
Good luck.

OMG. It's a vision of the worst rave the 90s never vomited up. Happening now.

Scotland's still not getting Indy though.

:eek:

Sorry Shakey. Meet your new overlords.

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Never mind. It seems despite the National's crappiness the messages are filtering though anyway.https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/scots-back-second-referendum-as-they-lose-faith-in-union-qqt7cc3tt

The dominoes are starting to fall fast aren't they ? And unionist narratives are getting shriller and more aggressive by the day as they try to deny simple realities. Stopping a referendum happening when it can be framed as 'Nicola Sturgeon' having a wee grievance is one thing. Stopping a vote from happening when over half of Scotland's electorate want one to happen and quick smart is quite another.

Devolution and Brexit cannot work. http://archive.li/BhfjH#selection-2829.1-2829.360

But with the full backing of a clear majority of Scots she will call and hold another vote. We'll be having our choice of Brexit or independence regardless of Westminster/Boris or Jeremy. As one of the two signatories of the Treaty of Union 1707 if Scotland chooses to leave, then she will do so. Scotland is no Catalonia. http://blog.whatscotlandthinks.org/2019/07/could-brexit-yet-undermine-the-future-of-the-british-state/

Enjoy reading the current cluster of articles I've included above as media and assorted commentary belatedly start panicing about Scotland again after 3 years complacent indifference. I also do not think that Farage and his vaguely sinister Trump like rallies complete with air raid sirens, pyrotechnics and pensioners waving glo sticks is helping matters. Terrifying stuff.. no wonder Scotlands previous No voters are stampeding to the exit door. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eXk0tChqOUk

Shakey, Scotland is a nation, not a country. There is an important legal difference between the two you don't appear to understand. Even after we went over it with all the Steve stuff 300 pages ago.

foxtrotoscar_2

More than 50% of the electorate want a second referendum? I missed that vote for some unknown reason. That's right there wasn't one.

Arklight

foxtrotoscar wrote: »

More than 50% of the electorate want a second referendum? I missed that vote for some unknown reason. That's right there wasn't one.

Yes I missed that bit too. It's hidden here:

The Panelbase survey of 1,024 voters, conducted this month,

So roughly 500 people in an online survey might want a second referendum.

Indy in the bag, again!

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

Shakey, Scotland is a nation, not a country. There is an important legal difference between the two you don't appear to understand. Even after we went over it with all the Steve stuff 300 pages ago.

Whatever Scotland and England were in 1707 they signed a Treaty. Just as all it takes for the UK to leave the European Union is a vote.. so too the Treaty of Union 1707.


It doesn't matter a jot what you want to call Scotland and/or England then and now. Scotland joined England in a Union voluntarily. The same process can be reversed.. legally. It's the politics that'll do it though and it's happening now.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

Yes I missed that bit too. It's hidden here:
So roughly 500 people in an online survey might want a second referendum.

Indy in the bag, again!

I think it's awful that you're so innocent in the ways of polling that you seem to have no idea that just about every polling company in polling history conduct polls containing 1000 ish people ! I feel bad for you that you didn't know this. Seriously ? :rotfl:

In addition, since Ruth Davidson and every other unionist shouty person has spent the last three years using polls ( conducted using 1000 ish people ) as a way of justifying not allowing the Scottish Parliment to hold a second indy ref... it's absolutely hilarious that it's backfiring so badly now.

Prof Sir John Curtice, the leading psephologist, looks at the recent polling on Scottish independence and concludes that support for independence is rising because remain voters are becoming more nationalist.

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think it's awful that you're so innocent in the ways of polling that you seem to have no idea that just about every polling company in polling history conduct polls containing 1000 ish people ! I feel bad for you that you didn't know this. Seriously ? :rotfl:

In addition, since Ruth Davidson and every other unionist shouty person has spent the last three years using polls ( conducted using 1000 ish people ) as a way of justifying not allowing the Scottish Parliment to hold a second indy ref... it's absolutely hilarious that it's backfiring so badly now.

I think it's hilarious that you spent a full year running up to the last referendum predicting a huge win for Independence, based on your misunderstanding of trendlines in poll data. And then lost in the poll that actually mattered.

I'm not a unionist by the way. I just dislike Scottish nationalists. To me you're just Farage and the Brexit party with different accents and the same prejudice. Exactly the same shoutiness, incidentally.