The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

Well, you've been wrong with absolutely every other prediction you've made since the beginning of the old thread, so perhaps this complicated (and improbable) sequence of events is your time shine.

I'm debating the same stuff as you. Only from a different perspective that's all, and that's what makes threads interesting. Lighten up. However, since 2016 it's been clear from my own perspective that Scotland leaving the Single Market and Customs Union will result in another Scottish referendum/or vote on independence. This has never changed.

While you and folks on this thread have been repeating sad old lines to echo chambers here about how 'there won't be another referendum'... You fail to take into account that the Scottish Parliament has not only voted as a majority for another referendum. It's is currently legislating for one. Have you somehow missed the above happening ? Wow.


How supposed intelligent debaters ( I assume you think of yourself as reasonably intelligent ) can see this happening in front of their faces and still post as you do beats me. You must be wearing blinkers a mile wide and goodness, it shows. A second referendum isn't a prediction.. The entire process is happening now, right in front of your face ! Holyrood will go ahead with it too, telling Boris Johnson or Jeremy to b****r off. Ian Blackford at PMQ's last week refusing to withdraw his remarks in the HoC's was just a taster.

The ONLY way to stop a second vote happening is for the UK Govt to take the entire Scottish Parliament to a Scottish Court and start legal proceedings. They do not have time to do so before Brexit, votes of no confidence and or General Elections hit.


Posting stuff like this, as you are want to do

. The SNP want to campaign endlessly for independence, they don't want it to actually happen. There will be no new referendum.

Insults my, and everyone else's intelligence I'm afraid. While our perspectives may be very different, I'm not denying anything happening right in front of my nose as some posters are here sadly.

Boomslang

Shakethedisease wrote: »

We're not governed via YouGov and Survation polls just yet.

Oh..........you have changed your tune. :rotfl::rotfl:

Boomslang

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Even without Boris as PM independence support at 49%.

Eh see what you said in a previous post quoted above.....:rotfl::rotfl:

Boomslang

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Ian Blackford at PMQ's last week refusing to withdraw his remarks in the HoC's was just a taster.

Unfortunately you are probably correct nasty, foul mouthed, horrible, distasteful little man that he is.

If you think Boris is good for the Nats the Nicola and Ian double act is a godsend to the Unionists.

mollycat

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

That really says it all. Are you sure you're not Sturgeon?

That would be one massive advantage if you were ever to gain independence, we would not have to listen to her whining anymore.

Nope, but a high ranking SNP official none the less, who's duties include posting the kind of spin and propaganda that has poisoned this thread for 600+ pages.

Worth bearing in mind when evaluating the motivation of this poster and the level of credibility allocated to the content of their posts!

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I'm debating the same stuff as you. Only from a different perspective that's all, and that's what makes threads interesting. Lighten up. However, since 2016 it's been clear from my own perspective that Scotland leaving the Single Market and Customs Union will result in another Scottish referendum/or vote on independence. This has never changed.

While you and folks on this thread have been repeating sad old lines to echo chambers here about how 'there won't be another referendum'... You fail to take into account that the Scottish Parliament has not only voted as a majority for another referendum. It's is currently legislating for one. Have you somehow missed the above happening ? Wow.


How supposed intelligent debaters ( I assume you think of yourself as reasonably intelligent ) can see this happening in front of their faces and still post as you do beats me. You must be wearing blinkers a mile wide and goodness, it shows. A second referendum isn't a prediction.. The entire process is happening now, right in front of your face ! Holyrood will go ahead with it too, telling Boris Johnson or Jeremy to b****r off. Ian Blackford at PMQ's last week refusing to withdraw his remarks in the HoC's was just a taster.

The ONLY way to stop a second vote happening is for the UK Govt to take the entire Scottish Parliament to a Scottish Court and start legal proceedings. They do not have time to do so before Brexit, votes of no confidence and or General Elections hit.


Posting stuff like this, as you are want to do Insults my, and everyone else's intelligence I'm afraid. While our perspectives may be very different, I'm not denying anything happening right in front of my nose as some posters are here sadly.

Well, if that's the case you can pop open the champagne right now.

Indy is in the bag. Again!

:rotfl:

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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The ONLY way to stop a second vote happening is for the UK Govt to take the entire Scottish Parliament to a Scottish Court and start legal proceedings. They do not have time to do so before Brexit, votes of no confidence and or General Elections hit.

Why would they want to stop a vote that has no meaning?

P.S. in any case it would be the UK Supreme Court that would decide. The constitution is a reserved matter.

antrobus

Shakethedisease wrote: »

The constitution is reserved, holding referendums definitely isn't. So the Scottish Govt will hold one, what's the problem with that ?

Holding a referendum on any aspect of the constitution is a reserved matter.

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Really ?

Yes, really.

Ms Sturgeon on the Referendum Bill;

"We do not need a transfer of power such as a Section 30 order to pass such a framework Bill, though we would need it to put beyond doubt or challenge our ability to apply the bill to an independence referendum."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-48026430

Doubt or challenge as in, it can be safely ignored even if it does happen.:)

Moby

Boomslang wrote: »

Unfortunately you are probably correct nasty, foul mouthed, horrible, distasteful little man that he is.

If you think Boris is good for the Nats the Nicola and Ian double act is a godsend to the Unionists.

The Scottish tories don't seem to agree:-
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/jun/23/boris-johnson-as-pm-would-be-catastrophe-for-uk-say-scottish-tories

Shakethedisease

Boomslang wrote: »

Oh..........you have changed your tune. :rotfl::rotfl:

No. I'm not using the latest YouGov or whatever poll in order to justify stopping anyone from voting on anything. Things get very problematic indeed when we start basing politics and democracy itself on those. Yet people do it all the time to justify their views on what the Scottish electorate should or shouldn't be 'allowed' to vote on. 'But YouGov say's', 'But Panelbase says..appetite not there, something something Survation 'the people don't want'...

Oh and 49% Yes and that's as things stand right now. Asking how folks will vote with Boris in charge changes it to 53% Yes /47% No. Fabulous work from the Tories there.