The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Mistermeaner

So when you said we you mean the scottish parliament rather than the people of Scotland ?

As a % of population how many votes did pro leave parties get?

My assumption would be that anyone who didn’t vote is a ‘stayer’

Moby

molerat wrote: »

But we were given that choice and the majority rejected it.

The SNP are saying the brexit vote changed everything in that the 'Better Together' campaign was based on the premise that we were 'better together' within the EU.

baldelectrician

Mistermeaner wrote: »

So when you said we you mean the scottish parliament rather than the people of Scotland ?

As a % of population how many votes did pro leave parties get?

My assumption would be that anyone who didn’t vote is a ‘stayer’

You can assume what you want but the actual facts are that the SNP had a higher % of the Scottish vote than the UK government had of the UK vote and the Scottish Parliament has voted by a majority for a second referendum

Dress that up how you will but the Scottish Parliament has a mandate from the Scottish people who bothered to vote.

By your reasoning you must assume the current UK government are not legit as more people either voted against them or did not vote

We will soon have a UK prime minister appointed to a minority government telling a Scottish Government with a better mandate what it can and cannot do.

Shakethedisease

Tromking wrote: »

......and despite Shakey’’s “help me, help me, I’m being repressed” argument, that right to go it alone has always been there.

Really ? So why has every PM candidate so far been saying there won't be another Scottish referendum ? Either we have the right or we don't.

Most Scots realise that of course, except the Nationalists who worked out many moons ago that the only way to gain traction was to manufacture or exaggerate a grievance against their fellow Brits.
I note there’s another blackhole developing in the Scottish economy with the bombshell that the reduction in the block grant designed to cover locally raised income tax, is about £1 BN out over three years.
I sense a begging letter to the U.K. Treasury is imminent.

We probaby won't be around long enough to send any begging letters. Any begging letters will be going to the EU from Westminster on 1st Nov when the flow of insulin and other medical supplies stops and the food shortages begin. Thank god Scotland won't be part of any of that. The Refendum Bill will be through Holyrood in days if not hours.

I think Nicola's already sealed the deal to be honest. That's why there's EU Scottish business hubs popping up everywhere. EU investment and contracts haven't stopped and Alyn Smith has just been elected as president of the EFA group. They all know the score. So do we.

Ps Brexit is a little more than 'a grievance'. You made me laugh posting that so thank you.

Thrugelmir

baldelectrician wrote: »

We're not more superior than everybody else but we deserve to run our own affairs (not part of them) and should have the right of self determination if and when we choose

But England has to be subservant to the Brussels elite.

Enterprise_1701C

Thrugelmir wrote: »

But England has to be subservant to the Brussels elite.

Yep, Scotland seem to think that they should have the right to tell a country more than ten times their size what to do. Not only do they want us to remain subservient to the eu, they want us to be subservient to them too, and still pay them a fortune for the pleasure. And yet they also seem to think they can prosper as an independent country, with a deficit 4 times that of the UK as a whole.

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Really ? So why has every PM candidate so far been saying there won't be another Scottish referendum ? Either we have the right or we don't.

Yeah, nah, yeah. You don't.
:beer:

antrobus

Arklight wrote: »

Yeah, nah, yeah. You don't.
:beer:

Correct. The constitution is a reserved matter. Only the UK Parliament can hold a referendum.

There does not seem to be any enthusiasm to hold another referendum in Westminster, given that the last one was held only a few years ago.

Which is unfortunate. I'm quite keen on Scottish independence. The subsidy would end and we'd be at least £8 billion quid a year better off.

.string.

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Yep, Scotland seem to think that they should have the right to tell a country more than ten times their size what to do. Not only do they want us to remain subservient to the eu, they want us to be subservient to them too, and still pay them a fortune for the pleasure. And yet they also seem to think they can prosper as an independent country, with a deficit 4 times that of the UK as a whole.

The SNP, not Scotland.

Enterprise_1701C

.string. wrote: »

The SNP, not Scotland.

True, should have said SNP..

Sturgeon is complaining now because she was refused Foreign Office support for her trip to Belgium.

I personally am amazed she even thought the FO would provide support for a trip to the eu to talk up the idea of independance and the idea of Scotland joining the eu, especially when there is no referendum in Scotland's near future.

She has also claimed that it was clear in Brussels any further extension to the Brexit timetable beyond the October 31 deadline would be conditional on a General Election or second EU referendum, so that is another thing she is trying to influence, to my mind there is a good chance she was over there in part to influence their handling of Brexit and ask them to put conditions on any extension. Hopefully we will not need another one anyway, but she is complaining that we act badly towards Scotland, in the same breath she tries to betray the rest of the UK.