The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

loadsacash wrote: »

I think that Boris may well be quite popular in Scotland - He was after all a popular Mayor of London

Anyway it seems that you are talking about a No Deal Scoxsit

This may seem ok at the time but what happens when austerity kicks in and people are trying to pay their mortgages with their Scottish pounds!

In two recent referendums Scotland has chosen to stay in the UK AND in the EU. We cannot have both regardless of who the UK PM is. A vote and a say was promised in 2016, so that's what's going to happen, hence the Referendum Bill. A no deal Tory Brexit or going it alone via independence and all that goes with it.

loadsacash

Shakethedisease wrote: »

In two recent referendums Scotland has chosen to stay in the UK AND in the EU. We cannot have both regardless of who the UK PM is. A vote and a say was promised in 2016, so that's what's going to happen, hence the Referendum Bill. A no deal Tory Brexit or going it alone via independence and all that goes with it.

So if Scotland votes for Independence and we find that the Austerity etc is a little too hard we can change our mind and go back to the UK?

Shakethedisease

loadsacash wrote: »

So if Scotland votes for Independence and we find that the Austerity etc is a little too hard we can change our mind and go back to the UK?

No. Not once it's done and voting for independence is still an 'if'. It's making a vote happen at all that's the priority.

Mistermeaner

Genuine question : what’s so good about Scotland ?

baldelectrician

Mistermeaner wrote: »

Genuine question : what’s so good about Scotland ?

We're not more superior than everybody else but we deserve to run our own affairs (not part of them) and should have the right of self determination if and when we choose

Tromking

baldelectrician wrote: »

We're not more superior than everybody else but we deserve to run our own affairs (not part of them) and should have the right of self determination if and when we choose

......and despite Shakey’’s “help me, help me, I’m being repressed” argument, that right to go it alone has always been there.
Most Scots realise that of course, except the Nationalists who worked out many moons ago that the only way to gain traction was to manufacture or exaggerate a grievance against their fellow Brits.
I note there’s another blackhole developing in the Scottish economy with the bombshell that the reduction in the block grant designed to cover locally raised income tax, is about £1 BN out over three years.
I sense a begging letter to the U.K. Treasury is imminent.

Nasqueron

Shakethedisease wrote: »

No. Not once it's done and voting for independence is still an 'if'. It's making a vote happen at all that's the priority.

And there, in a nutshell, is the hypocrisy of the SNP and the leave crowd


Vote remain - WRONG! Vote again and again until you change your mind

Vote leave - RIGHT! But you're not allowed to change your mind now

molerat

baldelectrician wrote: »

We're not more superior than everybody else but we deserve to run our own affairs (not part of them) and should have the right of self determination if and when we choose

But we were given that choice and the majority rejected it.

Mistermeaner

molerat wrote: »

But we were given that choice and the majority rejected it.

thats it in a nutshell; bald-electricians "we" is a minority ( a very vocal one ).

baldelectrician

Mistermeaner wrote: »

thats it in a nutshell; bald-electricians "we" is a minority ( a very vocal one ).

That will be the minority that has over 50% of the MP's in the current Scottish Parliament- which is a proportional system designed not to give one party over 50% of the seats.

Of the 129 seats on the proportional system:

63 SNP
6 Green

Total pro-independence 69 seats
Seats required for majority 65

So the vocal minority (of those that could be bothered to vote) meant that over 50% of the Scottish Parliament is pro independence

Compare that to the current UK government which have 42.4 % of the vote plus 0.9 for the DUP confidence and supply partners

The SNP had 46.5% of the consituency vote and 41.7% of the regional vote
The Greens had 0.6% of the consituency vote and 6.6% of the regional vote

You will be glad I pointed out that the SNP had a higher share of the constituency vote in Scotland yet are denied democracy whilst the Conservatives rule over us with a lesser mandate