The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

You were saying Scotland would have to join the Euro though. I was just asking why seeing as countries like Denmark and Switzerland don't. What makes Scotland any different ?

Switzerland isn't even in the EU.

Referendum in 2000. Danish government lost the vote. At least they honour their's.

Shakethedisease

Enterprise_1701C wrote: »

Since 1999 (I think), when the euro began, all new eu members have had to commit to joining the euro. It is in the Articles of Accession.

That's right. So ? They've committed, but never gotten round to it. No signs of it either - still full EU members.


Good news

European parliament to keep Scotland office after Brexit

The European Parliament has decided to retain an office in Scotland after Brexit.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-47477629


They must know by the end of the year Scotland will be off out of the UK.

Shakethedisease

Thrugelmir wrote: »

Switzerland isn't even in the EU.

Referendum in 2000. Danish government lost the vote. At least they honour their's.

I know. EFTA. I was covering both EU and EFTA bases. When people come out with meaningless soundbites like 'you'll have to join the Euro'. It's best to ask why while citing as many examples as possible of those who aren't - but still retain most of the benefits of Single Market access. Scotland would like some of that action.

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Doesn't this seem at odds with Nicola's claim for Scotland to be at the heart of Europe though?

I do think you need to nail the colours to the mast.

That's Nicola making the SNP case for Scotland rejoining the EU. Not independence. Again, there's a difference. Assuming Scotland is out of the EU on 29th March ( or a bit later ). The independence case is best made by appealling to as broad a church as possible. This will include Yes/leavers and Yes/Remainers. EEA/EFTA will appeal to both as well as EU citizens. As will 'new currency - but not at first' for those elderly voters frightened on their doorsteps last time with horrific stories of being able to use their pound coins the day after a Yes vote. Truly shameful stuff.


But yes, appealling to as broad a church as possible will be necessary. We're out of the EU anyway, so retaining most of the benefits will appeal to some. While hope of future rejoining will appeal to others. NEITHER will happen as part of the UK. Ruth Davidson will be stuck selling that the poor luv.

The EU budget had a social cohesion fund running into hundreds of millions of Euros. The smart play from Nicola would be to try and attract some of that money for inward investment.

She's got all the fish, the oil, the salmon and the whisky . Am sure she can secure some sort of nice deal.

kabayiri

Shakethedisease wrote: »

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She's got all the fish, the oil, the salmon and the whisky . Am sure she can secure some sort of nice deal.

Salmon is fish.

You double counting again?

I think even the EU will work out that exaggeration !

mayonnaise

kabayiri wrote: »

Salmon is fish.

You double counting again?

I think even the EU will work out that exaggeration !

If I ask for fish & chips, I don't expect to get salmon & chips. So there you have it. Salmon and fish are very different beasts.

Nasqueron

An independent Scotland in the EU will either have the Euro or a new currency backed by pretty much nothing (as opposed to the pound backed by BoE / gold). Countries that try and use other country's currencies like some do with the dollar are not exactly booming.


Scotland voted No in a "once in a generation" vote. You don't get to re-run just because you don't like the result. Campaign for a rejoin vote and go from there after Brexit reality bites, particularly no deal

mayonnaise wrote: »

If I ask for fish & chips, I don't expect to get salmon & chips. So there you have it. Salmon and fish are very different beasts.

No they're both fish, regardless of whether from the North Sea or the fish farms harming natural fish

Shakethedisease

kabayiri wrote: »

Salmon is fish.

You double counting again?

I think even the EU will work out that exaggeration !

Should've said fishing waters. Massive big fishing waters that half the EU want a piece of...

Shakethedisease

Nasqueron wrote: »

An independent Scotland in the EU will either have the Euro or a new currency backed by pretty much nothing (as opposed to the pound backed by BoE / gold). Countries that try and use other country's currencies like some do with the dollar are not exactly booming.


Scotland voted No in a "once in a generation" vote. You don't get to re-run just because you don't like the result. Campaign for a rejoin vote and go from there after Brexit reality bites, particularly no deal

A re-run ? Of course you do if that's what people vote for. The Scottish Parliament have already voted on the matter 69-59 for a second referendum.


Why do you think they should just ignore what the Scottish electorate voted for ? How silly. That sort of thing would see off the SNP and Greens quick smart in future votes. Soooooo, a re-run it must be.

Enterprise_1701C

Nasqueron wrote: »

An independent Scotland in the EU will either have the Euro or a new currency backed by pretty much nothing (as opposed to the pound backed by BoE / gold). Countries that try and use other country's currencies like some do with the dollar are not exactly booming.


Scotland voted No in a "once in a generation" vote. You don't get to re-run just because you don't like the result. Campaign for a rejoin vote and go from there after Brexit reality bites, particularly no deal

No they're both fish, regardless of whether from the North Sea or the fish farms harming natural fish

Scotland would have to have it's own currency and central bank before joining the euro. Agreeing to join the euro is a necessity if they were to manage to rejoin the eu, although admittedly it would take a LONG time before they actually qualified to join the euro so they would have a few years to think, unless of course the eu once again decided to ignore it's own rules, as they did with places like Greece. Of course that ended really well.