The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

Shakethedisease

Arklight wrote: »

This time next year Rodney, we'll be independent and millionaires...

Independent most likely.
Things moving up a gear now. Teresa is gearing up to say No.

The UK government is preparing to reject any call from Scotland's First Minister Nicola Sturgeon for the power to hold another independence referendum, sources have told the BBC.......Secondly, they say with so much attention on Brexit, an independence debate would be a distraction.
One minister said: "Once you've hit the iceberg, you're all on it together".

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-47406529

The National has had the McCrone report plastered all over it in full ( not paywalled ) last few days and the SNP today announced that they'll be voting on a new currency/policy at next conference.

8 hrs ago Revealed: The SNP WILL propose a new currency for an independent Scotland

He said: “We will propose that it should now be party policy that an SNP government in an independent Scotland would establish its own currency ... We propose that necessary preparations, including the work of building the institutions that we need, such as an independent central bank, would begin during the transition period.”

https://www.thenational.scot/news/17467992.revealed-the-snp-will-propose-a-new-currency-for-an-independent-scotland/

I also think Labour supporting a second Brexit referendum is of significance. Once Mrs May says no, then it's no longer a UK of equal nations and no longer a Scotland in voluntary union free to leave whenever democracy dictates. Nicola won't be shy at saying so either. Lets remember this isn't the PM saying No to the SNP. They're saying No to the democratically elected Scottish parliament and all laws/mandates that it's representitives were voted in to accomplish. The very embodiment of the 'will' of the Scottish people. Scotland isn't voting to be an independent nation for the first time. It'll be voting to revert back to one after 300 years in a voluntary political union.

That this House endorses the principles of the Claim of Right for Scotland, agreed by the Scottish Constitutional Convention in 1989 and by the Scottish Parliament in 2012, and therefore acknowledges the sovereign right of the Scottish people to determine the form of government best suited to their needs.

UK Parliament, 04 July 2018.

I also nearly forgot this from yesterday.

28th February Independent Scotland’s entry into the EU would be ‘easy' says MEP Elmar Brok

The longest-serving member of the European Parliament has said that it would be “easy” for an independent Scotland to negotiate entry into the union. Known as the Father of the House, Elmar Broke has been an MEP since 1980 and is credited with writing the constitution of the EU by many.

https://www.heraldscotland.com/news/17465964.independent-scotlands-entry-into-the-eu-would-be-easy-says-mep-elmar-brok/


Thought I'd bring you all up to date with all these exciting developments in Scotland... while Westminster implodes. :cool:

Shakethedisease

Nicola's just saying..

NicolaSturgeon 16h16 hours ago
The justification here from a UK Minister for trying to block Scotland’s right to choose independence is quite something - “once you've hit the iceberg, you're all on it together". Well, actually, no, Scotland does not have to sink with the Brexit ship.

My goodness, the Tories really are terrified of the will of the Scottish people. This is not the look of a party confident in the strength of its own arguments.

:T

Arklight

Sturgeon breaks with Salmond's prior economic policy and announces an independent Scotland will use it's own currency and not the GBP.

Details of the new currency are yet to be fully revealed but a leak within the SNP economics unit has revealed the following are being discussed:

The chicken:



This form of currency was used successfully in Scotland for thousands of years before the English were even thought of by Satan. Resident economists predict this trusty economic unit is the most likely to be adopted due it's versatility and the fact that it will soon be worth about the same as a barrel of oil.

Also lays eggs, which is a bonus.

The hog:



The hog is mooted as less popular that the chicken due to its size, it could however be introduced were Scotland found to be in a cycle of hyperinflation. Hogs are large and hard to counterfeit.

One hog is equivalent to roughly 14 munchy boxes or 33 barrels of North Sea oil.

Bucky:



The staple of many a night out warmup sessoin in Glasgow, it's though the unctious drink could be rolled out to become Scotland's official currency by 2013 in time for the Independence celebrations. Detractors have warned that using an unrelaible currency produced by a load of drunken English clergyman is functionally no different from continuing to use the pound issued by the Bank of England.

Shakethedisease

Blimey you went to a LOT of effort there for a few lame stereotypical jokes that aren't particularly funny and designed to provoke feelings of extreme boredom for the reader.

Things getting a little too close to the nerve for you ? Scotland ( and probably NI in the near future ) leaving Little Britain facing Brexit on it's own. Still screaming about how 'Spain will veto' and 'what currency will you use' and how rUK will close of all trade with Scotland overnight. Delusional nonsense when Scotland is out of the EU anyway, apparently similtaneously can't have it's own currency but can't stick with the £ either and rUK is facing having no trading deals with anyone at all. So doesn't really have the luxury of cutting it's nearest neighbour off.

Wait until that all that oil, gas, whisky and fish disappear off the rUK export lists. You'll be begging for a currency union and trade deal - facing at last the full horror of no-one listening to the rUK anymore and moving on, the end of the NHS and chickens smelling like they've been marinated in the local swimming pool on your plates ( once the riots are over ).

I know you personally aren't that keen on Brexit. However, treating Scots with the same attitude as right wing extreme Brexiteers do with 'remoaners' ( the crap stereotyping insulting jokes ) isn't doing you any favours.

Angus_Og

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Scotland ( and probably NI in the near future ) leaving Little Britain facing Brexit on it's own.

You are being seriously delusional.

If the UK Brexits so does Scotland, if Scotland wins independence prior to Brexit (fat chance of that happening) Scotland leaves the EU.

But peak independence has passed so you are on to a hiding to nothing.

Arklight

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Blimey you went to a LOT of effort there for a few lame stereotypical jokes that aren't particularly funny and designed to provoke feelings of extreme boredom for the reader.

Things getting a little too close to the nerve for you ? Scotland ( and probably NI in the near future ) leaving Little Britain facing Brexit on it's own. Still screaming about how 'Spain will veto' and 'what currency will you use' and how rUK will close of all trade with Scotland overnight. Delusional nonsense when Scotland is out of the EU anyway, apparently similtaneously can't have it's own currency but can't stick with the £ either and rUK is facing having no trading deals with anyone at all. So doesn't really have the luxury of cutting it's nearest neighbour off.

Wait until that all that oil, gas, whisky and fish disappear off the rUK export lists. You'll be begging for a currency union and trade deal - facing at last the full horror of no-one listening to the rUK anymore and moving on, the end of the NHS and chickens smelling like they've been marinated in the local swimming pool on your plates ( once the riots are over ).

I know you personally aren't that keen on Brexit. However, treating Scots with the same attitude as right wing extreme Brexiteers do with 'remoaners' ( the crap stereotyping insulting jokes ) isn't doing you any favours.

Did you forget the plagues of locusts or are they coming after?

I'm not that convinced Brexit will actually happen. Even if it does. The SNP still can't win an independence referendum so you're stuck with the chicken jokes for a while at least.

Shakethedisease

Angus_Og wrote: »

You are being seriously delusional.

If the UK Brexits so does Scotland, if Scotland wins independence prior to Brexit (fat chance of that happening) Scotland leaves the EU.

But peak independence has passed so you are on to a hiding to nothing.

It's Brexit and the Tories trying to dismantle devolution - devolution is not compatible with Brexit - that will kill off the Union... shortly.

No point in holding a vote in Scotland prior. Once businesses and individuals start feeling the hit in their pockets, or in their health services etc.. there will be a stampede to the ballot boxes. While the EU is out of reach for the immediate present ( leaving is necessary to demonstate how crap Westminster is for Scottish interests ), the Single Market and Customs union is still within reach. Either during any transition time the UK gets if there is a deal, or simply down to people power once a no deal hits and there's no bread on Asda shelves.

Imo Scotland will have it's own People's vote based on the proposals they put to the UK Govt in 2017 which were ignored ( Scotland's Place in Europe ). Labour supporting a UK wide People's vote has pretty much neutralised any arguments they have against a Scottish one. An outright independence question won't be asked, it'll be phrased in such a way so it's more of a 'consultation' with the Scottish electorate, and well, it's not like it's illegal for any Govt on the planet to simply consult the electorate is it ? How could it be ?

EEA/EFTA will also be what's offered on immediate independence with a vote on EU membership later. Brings all those Yes/Leavers back on board.


A vote in favour of independence via a consultation with the Scottish electorate is very achievable in the coming few months. Unfortunately more than a few pockets are going to have to be hit hard, and horror stories about med and food shortages are going to have to happen first. Otherwise ( and see Arklights post above for gibbering delusion ) people will just keep clinging on to the notion that Brexit won't happen and nothing bad will happen if Scotland stays in the UK. It will. And once it does, cue the SNP rolling out the life rafts.

harz99

Angus_Og wrote: »

You are being seriously delusional.

If the UK Brexits so does Scotland, if Scotland wins independence prior to Brexit (fat chance of that happening) Scotland leaves the EU.

But peak independence has passed so you are on to a hiding to nothing.

I couldn't agree more. Really surprised this thread is still churning out the same old stuff time and again...

Tromking

The SNP's plan to abrogate the perceived economic disaster of Brexit is to seemingly subject the Scottish people to an even bigger economic disaster, namely Scottish independence. Genius.

Shakethedisease

harz99 wrote: »

I couldn't agree more. Really surprised this thread is still churning out the same old stuff time and again...

Dont read it then ? Most of us are intelligent enough to scroll past threads that are of no interest to us.