The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

fun4everyone

Arklight wrote: »

Salmond toppled. The SNP reeling. Polls collapsing. Is this the death of Indy?

The SNP getting thrashed at the last GE was particularly nice.

zagubov

fun4everyone wrote: »

The SNP getting thrashed at the last GE was particularly nice.

They were so badly "thrashed" that they won the Scottish part of the GE by a landslide that all the other parties would have given their right arms for.

In fact, if that's them "thrashed", what's the best way to describe the Tories, Labour and Lib Dem's Scottish GE performance? :whistle:

mollycat

zagubov wrote: »

They were so badly "thrashed" that they won the Scottish part of the GE by a landslide that all the other parties would have given their right arms for.

In fact, if that's them "thrashed", what's the best way to describe the Tories, Labour and Lib Dem's Scottish GE performance? :whistle:

Says the guy who promotes permanent economic austerity and misery on the Scottish populace (via independence) from his safe Home Counties residence.

Gee bud, thanks a million!

zagubov

Well I don't remember ever mocking a poster for wherever in Britain they're living.

Maybe this is the new normal.

Cetshwayo

The SNP is losing its nerve. Why can we tell this is happening? Simple, because we are at last !seeing the symptoms of decay in its once strict internal discipline.

SNP politicians briefing against each other, hostile opposition to official policy, histrionics about BBC bias as a deflection from what’s going wrong with the party’s strategy and policies – and now even the open talk of not if Nicola Sturgeon should go, but when and where to.

I am not making this up. There is no conspiracy. You only need to have been reading, watching or listening to the news to see the SNP is imploding.

Shakethedisease

Cetshwayo wrote: »

The SNP is losing its nerve. Why can we tell this is happening? Simple, because we are at last !seeing the symptoms of decay in its once strict internal discipline.

SNP politicians briefing against each other, hostile opposition to official policy, histrionics about BBC bias as a deflection from what’s going wrong with the party’s strategy and policies – and now even the open talk of not if Nicola Sturgeon should go, but when and where to.

I am not making this up. There is no conspiracy. You only need to have been reading, watching or listening to the news to see the SNP is imploding.

The very last thing Nicola Sturgeon wants to do right now is give any indication what her plans are. She can't risk any leaks or loose lips. She and the SNP will do what they said they would all along... wait for Brexit clarity.

Imagine she called for an indy ref then Article 50 was revoked ? Or the current Govt fell ? Nothing is imploding, everyone is just getting sick fed up of the PM and the Tories kicking the Brexit can down the road. We still don't know what Brexit is going to look like with only a few weeks to go. Only when we ( the UK public ) do can the SNP make any sort of move.

I wouldn't be surprised if various SNP and Yes groups gave been deliberately muddying waters with confusing messages to the media. Because the one thing that IS for sure 100%.. is that if Nicola loses her nerve after being voted in on the mandate she stood on... then she loses all her core voters. She and the SNP well know it too. If she doesn't call some sort of vote or give Scotland some sort of say over Brexit once things are clear. Then the SNP can wave bye bye to most of their voters for the next decade or more ( see Lib Dems/tuition fees ).

Brexit clarity for everyone then she and the SNP make their moves. But not before. Anything else is wishful thinking, it's not like the SNP are going to suddenly stop taking any opportunity they get to try for independence is it ? Brexit is a huge opportunity and they'll be very,very careful not to jump the gun early ( like the ERG did trying to topple May ).

..AND exteremely careful to keep any plans for after 29 March closely guarded. For example, while we all love MP's like Angus McNeil for being as gung ho as they come, he's got a big mouth. Imagine what the likes of the Mail, Express, the Record,Sky News etc would do if someone leaked detailed SNP plans now.

Console yourself with false ideas of the SNP losing it's nerve if you wish. But IMO you're reading things very wrongly given that the SNP have to keep their core voters happy. Making core SNP voters happy doesn't mean sitting back and letting Teresa May do what she likes. It means giving Scotland a vote once the terms of this never-ending Brexit are clear.

loadsacash

[QUOTE=Shakethedisease; while we all love MP's like Angus McNeil for being as gung ho as they come, he's got a big mouth.
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Angus Macneil's big mouth is not his only claim to fame
https://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/uk-world-news/sleaze-mp-my-shame-at-3-in-bed-teen-950312

Shakethedisease

Definitely mixed messages from the SNP. Andrew Wilson ( Growth Commission author ) is in the National today advocating a kind of 'soft independence'. While Joanna Cherry, who last week was taking pelters for talking about a wait and see approach has gone a bit gung ho today too..

Joanna Cherry QC 12h12 hours ago
As an MP on the #Brexit Select commitee I’ve watched this disaster proceed in the face of all the evidence. I’m also aware that many of #EU27 are very sympathetic to #independence for Scotland & once UK is 3rd state that can translate to action #indyref2

I think it's co-ordinated to confuse and planted in various different media outlets. Because imho I don't think Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP really have the option NOT to call a Scottish vote now. So it'll happen when Brexit does.

ps I'm far too much of a lady to ever mention Angus McNeils past shenanigans in polite conversation.

Tromking

Shakethedisease wrote: »

Definitely mixed messages from the SNP. Andrew Wilson ( Growth Commission author ) is in the National today advocating a kind of 'soft independence'. While Joanna Cherry, who last week was taking pelters for talking about a wait and see approach has gone a bit gung ho today too..


I think it's co-ordinated to confuse and planted in various different media outlets. Because imho I don't think Nicola Sturgeon and the SNP really have the option NOT to call a Scottish vote now. So it'll happen when Brexit does.

ps I'm far too much of a lady to ever mention Angus McNeils past shenanigans in polite conversation.

That’s an interesting spin on Sturgeons dilemma re. the next indyref.
The SNP are clearly caught between hardcore supporters wanting one now, if not before and a Scotland that’s increasingly going cold on independence generally and the SNP and it’s ongoing machinations specifically.
Peak SNP has passed.

Thrugelmir

Shakethedisease wrote: »

I think it's co-ordinated to confuse and planted in various different media outlets.

Spin at 20,000 RPM. :rotfl: