The New Fat Scotland 'Thanks for all the Fish' Thread.

mollycat

TrickyTree83 wrote: »

But do all Scots share the views of the shouty SNP?

Certainly there's 20,000+ who don't who have signed a petition to "#purgethesturge".

Also the voting statistics appear to indicate that there's between 1,000,000 and 1,600,000 Scots who identify with the SNP and their agenda. The rest, some 2,400,000 Scots eligible to vote don't appear to want to vote or agree with those views, or both!

Exactly Tricky, your numbers are perfect. Thank you.

Clapton; do you believe everything you see on the telly!?

ruggedtoast

elantan wrote: »

Aye that would need to be dealt with ... it does kinda look from where I'm sitting that the English feel very differently to their country and it's future than the Scottish do, I'm glad I live where I do live if I'm to be honest. I am sure the majority of English are fantastic people but there are quite a few that I would disagree with BNP and EDL supporters to name a few ... Scotland does have a SDL, but it is tiny and a significant proportion of the members dont come.from.Scotland

England is like it always has been. An inward looking society that is utterly mesmerised by an obsession with class and status that seems impervious to any kind of societal progress in the rest of the world.

Can you imagine any other country where its elected leaders regularly have to grovel and scrape to some anachronistic monarchy; or where they actually want to?

HAMISH_MCTAVISH

Rinoa wrote: »

I wouldn't have thought the EU would be offering Scotland £15BN every year.

Before UK voters committed economic suicide I'd have agreed with you.

But given there's about to be thousands of companies with hundreds of thousands of employees, who collectively pay the UK treasury tens of billions of pounds a year, looking to relocate to a nation within the single market if the UK leaves it.....

Well.... That won't be a problem any more.

ruggedtoast

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Before UK voters committed economic suicide I'd have agreed with you.

But given there's about to be thousands of companies with hundreds of thousands of employees, who collectively pay the UK treasury tens of billions of pounds a year, looking to relocate to a nation within the single market if the UK leaves it.....

Well.... That won't be a problem any more.

I guess that underwear woman will be staying put.

Thrugelmir

ruggedtoast wrote: »

England is like it always has been. An inward looking society that is utterly mesmerised by an obsession with class and status that seems impervious to any kind of societal progress in the rest of the world.

Can you imagine any other country where its elected leaders regularly have to grovel and scrape to some anachronistic monarchy; or where they actually want to?

Why haven't you emigrated then. Isn't that the benefit of being in the EU?

Tromking

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Before UK voters committed economic suicide I'd have agreed with you.

But given there's about to be thousands of companies with hundreds of thousands of employees, who collectively pay the UK treasury tens of billions of pounds a year, looking to relocate to a nation within the single market if the UK leaves it.....

Well.... That won't be a problem any more.

Pure speculation.
Just to be clear, you find the idea of actual instant penury for the Scottish people in an iScotland preferable to your speculative view of a post Brexit Scotland still within the UK?

Tromking

ruggedtoast wrote: »

England is like it always has been. An inward looking society that is utterly mesmerised by an obsession with class and status that seems impervious to any kind of societal progress in the rest of the world.

Can you imagine any other country where its elected leaders regularly have to grovel and scrape to some anachronistic monarchy; or where they actually want to?

The country you describe of course is the UK, not England.
England is the least parochial of the four nations in my view, it is the most culturally diverse and the least riven by petty nationalism and religious sectarianism.
Try and look past your ongoing 'sad-on' that England and Wales voted against your preference in the referendum.

martinsurrey

Tromking wrote: »

The country you describe of course is the UK, not England.
England is the least parochial of the four nations in my view, it is the most culturally diverse and the least riven by petty nationalism and religious sectarianism.
Try and look past your ongoing 'sad-on' that England and Wales voted against your preference in the referendum.

Don't forget ethnically diverse, Scotland has 4% ethnic minorities, the UK is 13% (and that is almost all accounted for in England).

TrickyTree83

HAMISH_MCTAVISH wrote: »

Before UK voters committed economic suicide I'd have agreed with you.

But given there's about to be thousands of companies with hundreds of thousands of employees, who collectively pay the UK treasury tens of billions of pounds a year, looking to relocate to a nation within the single market if the UK leaves it.....

Well.... That won't be a problem any more.

As others have said - this is pure speculation.

But lets entertain it for a moment. Do you really believe they would relocate to an independent Scotland rather than say Germany (Frankfurt) or France (Paris)? It just doesn't seem realistic, if Scotland was inside the EU there would be distinct benefits from being in one of the already established large financial centres in the EU.

Are there any concrete plans to fund an independent Scotland that doesn't involve a high oil price?

.string.

A few posts ago, I mentioned that I thought Sturgeon was trying to grab the votes of the EU nations living in Scotland. Well she followed up her letter to Cameron with one to EU Nationals in Scotland - SEE HERE

My personal opinion on the issue is coloured by the fact that my Son lives in Holland and my daughter in Spain, both have lived in those countries for over 20 years. They have UK Nationality. So naturally I don't want them being a bargaining chip for the EU during the Brexit negotiations. Particularly in Spain, the situation could be fragile, what with Gibraltar and all.

That is why I wrote what I did (see below) which states that, given satisfactory reciprocal arrangements, EU nationals will be allowed to stay and work in the UK. Note, in case you missed it, my wording states that the right is there only if they remain in the UK. An independent Scotland would not be in the UK and they would loose that right is they stayed in a separated UK. So the wording gives an inducement for them to vote Unionist.

If Sturgeon want to pay such games I reckon we can as well and see no need to be particularly subtle about it here. Not that anyone in Government is reading this of course!

"The UK Government can assure EU citizens currently resident in the UK that they will continue to be able to remain resident in the UK to work and enjoy the benefits of the UK welfare system, inclusive of Pension Rights (if applicable) while they remain resident in the UK, subject to satisfactory reciprocal arrangements being agreed with the relevant country in the EU."

In summary, British citizens living abroad need to be protected, not just EU citizens living in the UK. And as far as Scotland is concerned we should not give an assurance which will give the UK a never-ending liability due to Sturgeon playing party politics with the issue.


By the way - does anyone here have relatives living in the EU? Any Scots?